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Post by cocrt21 on Mar 5, 2009 16:55:20 GMT -5
This timeline Severson reads like Roland Burris put it together... lotta missing time
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Post by warriormom on Mar 5, 2009 18:25:29 GMT -5
Woefully inadequate. So to protect the victim and the accused, staff is "shadowing" (watching) them at all times. I'm sure that's great for their psyches. And what about the emotional issues? Is it too hard to imagine that the very sight of the accused is enough to make the victim upset? Or the fact that they are probably interacting with some of the same kids, who may then relate comments back and forth? Get the accused kid to another middle school. Period. I am not diminishing that what happened was tragic and that there will continue to be emotional issues if these kids stay together. However, to put it in a different perspective, how many "date rapes" occur within this district and then the victim has to continue to go to school with these same people and be exposed to similar comments? In addition, although less tramatic, what about bullying situations that take place on the playground, in locker rooms, etc, that go unsupervised. At least this victim had supervision at all times, which is more than some other victims get. I stand by what I stated earlier, under current policy parameters, this was being handled as best as it could. That's why we need to stop fighting about this or simply agree to disagree and all get focused on getting the current policy changed. Getting behind Senger's bill and finding out how to get that passed should be the focus now. Arguing about it does no good at this point. Focus that energy into changing policy and the law. so you are saying that because others have had to deal with a similar circumstance that makes this situation... not so bad. 4 months from occurrence to the board and admin. meeting with the parents is UNACCEPTABLE.
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Post by wvhsparent on Mar 5, 2009 18:56:22 GMT -5
This timeline Severson reads like Roland Burris put it together... lotta missing time can you fill in the missing time?
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 5, 2009 19:15:49 GMT -5
I find it sad that you feel this way and am ashamed that this attitude can even exist in our community. I hope you never have any influence on policy.
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Post by macy on Mar 5, 2009 19:48:41 GMT -5
Woefully inadequate. So to protect the victim and the accused, staff is "shadowing" (watching) them at all times. I'm sure that's great for their psyches. And what about the emotional issues? Is it too hard to imagine that the very sight of the accused is enough to make the victim upset? Or the fact that they are probably interacting with some of the same kids, who may then relate comments back and forth? Get the accused kid to another middle school. Period. I am not diminishing that what happened was tragic and that there will continue to be emotional issues if these kids stay together. However, to put it in a different perspective, how many "date rapes" occur within this district and then the victim has to continue to go to school with these same people and be exposed to similar comments? In addition, although less tramatic, what about bullying situations that take place on the playground, in locker rooms, etc, that go unsupervised. At least this victim had supervision at all times, which is more than some other victims get. I stand by what I stated earlier, under current policy parameters, this was being handled as best as it could. That's why we need to stop fighting about this or simply agree to disagree and all get focused on getting the current policy changed. Getting behind Senger's bill and finding out how to get that passed should be the focus now. Arguing about it does no good at this point. Focus that energy into changing policy and the law. What? I have no idea how many date rapes occur in this district. If that is happening, why hasn't anyone done anything about it? Why haven't we heard about it if it is a common occurrance? What steps has the district taken to inform parents this is happening? I'm stunned to hear this as I have a high school senior. I've never heard a word about this occuring in our schools. Is this really something that is prevalent in 204? The policy needs to be changed and unfortunately, it's only come to light because the family of this child at Gregory has not let the legal system or the district sweep the situation under the rug. We all need to get behind backing Senger's bill.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Mar 5, 2009 22:05:05 GMT -5
You are right, macy.
The only thing the school can do is move the accused to another school. But while that will help the victim and should have been done immediately after the SB found out they have the power to do that, this doesn't help the accused or the other people in the new school.
Senger's bill will hopefully help everyone. It's just a matter of getting past the ACLU issues, IMO. To say, "Oh well, this has happened before and there is nothing we can do about it" is a sad statement. We have to at least try and change things.
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Post by macy on Mar 5, 2009 22:09:08 GMT -5
You are right, macy. The only thing the school can do is move the accused to another school. But while that will help the victim and should have been done immediately after the SB found out they have the power to do that, this doesn't help the accused or the other people in the new school. Senger's bill will hopefully help everyone. It's just a matter of getting past the ACLU issues, IMO. To say, "Oh well, this has happened before and there is nothing we can do about it" is a sad statement. We have to at least try and change things. Yes, we have to try real hard to change things. I couldn't agree more with your statement. Senger's bill is a good one. Let's all work together to help advance it.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 5, 2009 22:30:39 GMT -5
If this had been handled properly, the district would have moved the accused just after the incident, perhaps around Christmas where there was a logical break. The accused would have benefited from the fresh start (notwithstanding the criminal charges, of course) in the sense that their new classmates -- who would not know the background of the students -- wouldn't be looking at them with contempt and disgust as I am sure they are now. And the new school could have been instructed to assign someone to discreetly shadow the accused, as Gregory is supposedly doing now.
Furthermore, the case wouldn't have made our district a target for criticism and the victim would have been able to maintain some semblance of privacy. There would have been no legal issues and no violation of current policy.
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Post by gatordog on Mar 5, 2009 23:25:54 GMT -5
If this had been handled properly, the district would have moved the accused just after the incident, perhaps around Christmas where there was a logical break. The accused would have benefited from the fresh start (notwithstanding the criminal charges, of course) in the sense that their new classmates -- who would not know the background of the students -- wouldn't be looking at them with contempt and disgust as I am sure they are now. And the new school could have been instructed to assign someone to discreetly shadow the accused, as Gregory is supposedly doing now. Furthermore, the case wouldn't have made our district a target for criticism and the victim would have been able to maintain some semblance of privacy. There would have been no legal issues and no violation of current policy. I agree. I think you have given us a well thought out course of action that should have been taken. I think the winter-break timeline you give would have been a very wise couse of action. One thing I was thinking, how to you pick which other MS to move them to? So its not arbitrary, I propose they would be sent to the next closest MS to their home address. What about when its mulitple offenders? Two, in this case (back in Nov-Dec). Should they both go to the same MS or should they be separated? I guess my "next closest MS" idea means they both go to the same MS. I am not sure that would be a good idea. One thing with asmo's idea, it sounds like the administation needs policy input from the SB. The CB proposal. We can do that now, we dont have to wait for Springfield.
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Post by wvhsparent on Mar 5, 2009 23:33:51 GMT -5
You are right, macy. The only thing the school can do is move the accused to another school. But while that will help the victim and should have been done immediately after the SB found out they have the power to do that, this doesn't help the accused or the other people in the new school. Senger's bill will hopefully help everyone. It's just a matter of getting past the ACLU issues, IMO. To say, "Oh well, this has happened before and there is nothing we can do about it" is a sad statement. We have to at least try and change things. Yes, we have to try real hard to change things. I couldn't agree more with your statement. Senger's bill is a good one. Let's all work together to help advance it. welcome to green macy.... I agree Senger's bill is a good start. From what I read it does have some ACLU issues that need to be addressed. That is key. Also everyone has to remember that those now looking at this bill are completely detached and don't have the same emotion that we do. In a way that is a good thing as they will look at it dispassionately and make sure it passes muster with ACLU.
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Post by steckdad on Mar 6, 2009 1:20:13 GMT -5
This timeline Severson reads like Roland Burris put it together... lotta missing time yep...the SB and Gregory admin are all lying
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 6, 2009 8:19:49 GMT -5
This timeline Severson reads like Roland Burris put it together... lotta missing time yep...the SB and Gregory admin are all lying Where was it accused that they are lying? The comment was likely a reference to the fact that from Nov 13 to Feb 20 there is no mention of any interaction between the school/district and the parents. It's hard to assign intent to the omissions, but the timeline makes it appear that everyone was on the same page for those months, which is being vehemently disputed by the parents.
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Post by eb204 on Mar 6, 2009 8:37:03 GMT -5
I am not diminishing that what happened was tragic and that there will continue to be emotional issues if these kids stay together. However, to put it in a different perspective, how many "date rapes" occur within this district and then the victim has to continue to go to school with these same people and be exposed to similar comments? In addition, although less tramatic, what about bullying situations that take place on the playground, in locker rooms, etc, that go unsupervised. At least this victim had supervision at all times, which is more than some other victims get. I stand by what I stated earlier, under current policy parameters, this was being handled as best as it could. That's why we need to stop fighting about this or simply agree to disagree and all get focused on getting the current policy changed. Getting behind Senger's bill and finding out how to get that passed should be the focus now. Arguing about it does no good at this point. Focus that energy into changing policy and the law. What? I have no idea how many date rapes occur in this district. If that is happening, why hasn't anyone done anything about it? Why haven't we heard about it if it is a common occurrance? What steps has the district taken to inform parents this is happening? I'm stunned to hear this as I have a high school senior. I've never heard a word about this occuring in our schools. Is this really something that is prevalent in 204? The policy needs to be changed and unfortunately, it's only come to light because the family of this child at Gregory has not let the legal system or the district sweep the situation under the rug. We all need to get behind backing Senger's bill. Macy, I didn't mean to alarm anyone. And I know of none personally. Perhaps I should have worded my analogy better so as not to imply there were known cases in this district. I don't know that. My apologies. I think the analogy itself holds true though. Date rapes happen probably more frequently than we all would like to think. Maybe they just don't get reported to authorities. Yet the victims of these crime might have to attend the same school. Again, my apologies for alarming anyone.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 6, 2009 8:46:55 GMT -5
But that is irrelevant to this discussion. While I am not going to get into a comparison of various levels of rape, the key difference here is that the victim was brave enough to speak up and charges were ultimately filed. If a girl were raped and charges filed, I would be calling for the same things I am here. Implying that we can't or shouldn't do anything for this boy because there are others who haven't come forward is illogical to say the least.
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Post by eb204 on Mar 6, 2009 9:01:59 GMT -5
But that is irrelevant to this discussion. While I am not going to get into a comparison of various levels of rape, the key difference here is that the victim was brave enough to speak up and charges were ultimately filed. If a girl were raped and charges filed, I would be calling for the same things I am here. Implying that we can't or shouldn't do anything for this boy because there are others who haven't come forward is illogical to say the least. You're putting words into my mouth. I wasn't implying that at all. If you read any of my other posts on this matter, I fully empathize with this boy and his family. I won't argue with you on this matter. As I've also stated previously, we need to get behind Senger's bill to make some real changes for ANY kid(s) that might encounter such horrific acts against them. It's does no good to argue about this...let's focus that energy into something more positive.
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