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Post by fasttimes on Mar 20, 2009 18:10:03 GMT -5
..... Maybe I am overly sensitive to it as I live inthe much maligned (wrongly so IMO) subdivision that starts with a T and ends with an S. ANYTIME I see stuff like this, I bristle with anger once again. Before you know it, fasttimes, the senders of the email will be breaking out into song: Trouble, oh we got trouble, Right here in River City! With a capital "T" That rhymes with "P" And that stands for Pool T--- G---, We've surely got trouble! Right here in River City, Right here! I am just trying to ignore these ridiculous emails. OK, if they start using showtunes, I will not ignore them, but then I will find better reason to laugh them off ;D ;D I wonder how people can work themselves up enough (scared of shadows and boundary bogymen I guess) to send such emails out ESPECIALLY when there are untruths contained within them based on public knowledge. Or at a minimum; qualifying the untrue statements as "this is my grassy knoll theory only" etc. etc. "The Battle" email on this thread is Not a huge deal of course; but it does show that some folks will always look upon certain areas in the district with spite and suspicion. This is what I have a problem with but of course cant do anything about. To be fair; I still hold a grudge toward several individuals based on some statements made at a school board meeting last year. So I guess I am no better than the emailer....
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Post by WeNeed3 on Mar 20, 2009 18:19:30 GMT -5
It's election time. And like boundary time, election time is an emotional event. Sometimes emotions just don't bring out the best in people.
If it's worth anything, I have seen some very positive emails supporting candidates without all the mudslinging. There are some classy people in our district. You just don't hear about them as much.
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Post by steckdad on Mar 20, 2009 21:39:18 GMT -5
the SB? how about blaming parents and kids? mostly parents (kids mostly pick it up from their parents) I hope you are not saying that the SB should not take any responsibility for our divided school district. Yes, parents did not help, but the school board was nice enough to coin a few terms about areas of our district and high schools. Once again, they are elected officials and are held to higher standards, like it or not. the parents are the reason. they have all the responsibility IMO. hold the SB to whatever standards you would like, but don't force it on others because they understand that they are human and put up with a lot of garbage for no pay.
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Post by fasttimes on Mar 23, 2009 11:14:42 GMT -5
I hope you are not saying that the SB should not take any responsibility for our divided school district. Yes, parents did not help, but the school board was nice enough to coin a few terms about areas of our district and high schools. Once again, they are elected officials and are held to higher standards, like it or not. the parents are the reason. they have all the responsibility IMO. hold the SB to whatever standards you would like, but don't force it on others because they understand that they are human and put up with a lot of garbage for no pay. No way SteckDad; I am not buying 100% parents fault and 0% SB culpability. Not with the entitled comments and "fence it off baby" and belittling anyone who's opinion does not 100% conform to Dr. D's and M2's. I would agree that a large part of the culpability does lie with the parents/voters. When we (the voters) auto approve sitting SB members and the hand picked appointees when they come up for re-election...we get what we deserve. It will be interesting to see if the 2 sitting SB members that chose to run for reelection are re-elected (or elected in the case of Cathy since she was another appointee).
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Post by rural on Mar 23, 2009 11:44:10 GMT -5
the parents are the reason. they have all the responsibility IMO. hold the SB to whatever standards you would like, but don't force it on others because they understand that they are human and put up with a lot of garbage for no pay. No way SteckDad; I am not buying 100% parents fault and 0% SB culpability. Not with the entitled comments and "fence it off baby" and belittling anyone who's opinion does not 100% conform to Dr. D's and M2's. I would agree that a large part of the culpability does lie with the parents/voters. When we (the voters) auto approve sitting SB members and the hand picked appointees when they come up for re-election...we get what we deserve. It will be interesting to see if the 2 sitting SB members that chose to run for reelection are re-elected (or elected in the case of Cathy since she was another appointee). How exactly was the "fence it off, baby" comment a contributor to the division of our district? ;D ETA: j/k I know you are speaking to the whole attitude. I understand the frustration with what appears to be a cavalier attitude toward sincere concerns.
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Post by fasttimes on Mar 23, 2009 14:37:53 GMT -5
No way SteckDad; I am not buying 100% parents fault and 0% SB culpability. Not with the entitled comments and "fence it off baby" and belittling anyone who's opinion does not 100% conform to Dr. D's and M2's. I would agree that a large part of the culpability does lie with the parents/voters. When we (the voters) auto approve sitting SB members and the hand picked appointees when they come up for re-election...we get what we deserve. It will be interesting to see if the 2 sitting SB members that chose to run for reelection are re-elected (or elected in the case of Cathy since she was another appointee). How exactly was the "fence it off, baby" comment a contributor to the division of our district? ;D ETA: j/k I know you are speaking to the whole attitude. I understand the frustration with what appears to be a cavalier attitude toward sincere concerns. ;D Yup, While I was not losing sleep over EMF and the gas spills and the proximity to the piplines (low prob of any issues...but I did live in seattle when the Bellingham pipeline exploded and killed a few kids) Others had valid concerns and to trivialize their concerns with such comments does not sit well with me. Just tying to make the point that the SB and SD does have some level of culpability (IMO) and it is not solely on the parents of the district as SteckDad contends.
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Post by warriorpride on Mar 23, 2009 15:01:26 GMT -5
How exactly was the "fence it off, baby" comment a contributor to the division of our district? ;D ETA: j/k I know you are speaking to the whole attitude. I understand the frustration with what appears to be a cavalier attitude toward sincere concerns. ;D Yup, While I was not losing sleep over EMF and the gas spills and the proximity to the piplines (low prob of any issues...but I did live in seattle when the Bellingham pipeline exploded and killed a few kids) Others had valid concerns and to trivialize their concerns with such comments does not sit well with me. Just tying to make the point that the SB and SD does have some level of culpability (IMO) and it is not solely on the parents of the district as SteckDad contends. I don't follow - what does the SB trivializing people's concerns have to do with the alleged division (n vs s, etc)?
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Post by rural on Mar 23, 2009 15:26:40 GMT -5
;D Yup, While I was not losing sleep over EMF and the gas spills and the proximity to the piplines (low prob of any issues...but I did live in seattle when the Bellingham pipeline exploded and killed a few kids) Others had valid concerns and to trivialize their concerns with such comments does not sit well with me. Just tying to make the point that the SB and SD does have some level of culpability (IMO) and it is not solely on the parents of the district as SteckDad contends. I don't follow - what does the SB trivializing people's concerns have to do with the alleged division (n vs s, etc)? I'll let Fastimes speak for himself, but I must say, it's right in your post. SB trivializing people's concern. That has the tendency, in general, to get people's ire up regardless of where they live in the district.
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Post by fasttimes on Mar 23, 2009 18:03:03 GMT -5
;D Yup, While I was not losing sleep over EMF and the gas spills and the proximity to the piplines (low prob of any issues...but I did live in seattle when the Bellingham pipeline exploded and killed a few kids) Others had valid concerns and to trivialize their concerns with such comments does not sit well with me. Just tying to make the point that the SB and SD does have some level of culpability (IMO) and it is not solely on the parents of the district as SteckDad contends. I don't follow - what does the SB trivializing people's concerns have to do with the alleged division (n vs s, etc)? the fence it off is just one raindrop. there are others (entitled etc) and when more and more are added together it produces rain (or in this case the seeds for divisiveness)
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Post by warriorpride on Mar 23, 2009 19:32:18 GMT -5
I don't follow - what does the SB trivializing people's concerns have to do with the alleged division (n vs s, etc)? the fence it off is just one raindrop. there are others (entitled etc) and when more and more are added together it produces rain (or in this case the seeds for divisiveness) "fence it off" referred to fencing off the area that needed to be mitigated - what's that have to do with divisiveness or trivializing people's concerns? You haven't really provided much to back up your statement.
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Post by wvhsparent on Mar 24, 2009 10:53:40 GMT -5
The "fence it off" was also taken Waaaaay out of context. It was meant that the area would be fenced off until mitigation was completed. It was afterall an area designed to be open space. But certain people who, seem lately to be drawn to the dramatic extreme, used it under their own wildly mistaken interpretation. Others then jumped onboard too fueling the frenzy.
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Post by fasttimes on Mar 24, 2009 11:41:57 GMT -5
the fence it off is just one raindrop. there are others (entitled etc) and when more and more are added together it produces rain (or in this case the seeds for divisiveness) "fence it off" referred to fencing off the area that needed to be mitigated - what's that have to do with divisiveness or trivializing people's concerns? You haven't really provided much to back up your statement. Your opinion. From you not mentioning entitled in your post; I am assuming you think that was out of line and was one of the seeds that others seemed to use as a defacto Admin condonement for "others" to continue on with other labels. As for the "fence it off baby" I must preface that I was not hugely concerned with the safety issues (except the pipes) but I was at the meeting when Dr. D made the statement. it wasn't just his words "fence it off Baby" it was the WAY he said it so joyfully/gleefully and with a laugh and giggle. Perhaps he was trying to lighten the mood (I didn't think it was appropriate. if you were there perhaps you did and we can have a different interpretation of the event and delivery of the statement) or perhaps he was trying to slap down those with valid concerns and trivialize their concerns. We will never know what was the intent of the delivery. If he just wanted to communicate that the area could be quarenteened; why not just say "we can fence off any area deemed to be a potential risk until a permanent fix can be put in place. This should allay any short term fears/concerns for student safety" Instead he woohoos and laughs "just fence it off Baby" I took his comment and delivery as marginalizing and attempting to demean those parents that had concerns. you can view it any way you wish to.
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Post by fasttimes on Mar 24, 2009 11:50:00 GMT -5
The "fence it off" was also taken Waaaaay out of context. It was meant that the area would be fenced off until mitigation was completed. It was afterall an area designed to be open space. But certain people who, seem lately to be drawn to the dramatic extreme, used it under their own wildly mistaken interpretation. Others then jumped onboard too fueling the frenzy. Agreed I think it was blown somewhat out of proportion (but not too much) as emotions were running high back then. I am sure Dr. Who or Arch probably has the video tucked away somewhere and if so; you could watch the delivery and make up your own mind as to how or (how not) out of proporation it was taken. Maybe I should watch it again; but I was there and my recollection was (OMG I cant beleive he said that and is laughing about this. All I could think of at the time was foot in mouth again and where did we dig this guy up from and I can see why KY did not renew his contract...).
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Post by wvhsparent on Mar 24, 2009 12:34:33 GMT -5
fast,
I was there too when he said it. It's probably my bias too, as I have always preferred The Eola site from way back. But I knew what he meant, when he said it, and I took no offense to it.
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Post by momto4 on Mar 24, 2009 13:01:54 GMT -5
fast, I was there too when he said it. It's probably my bias too, as I have always preferred The Eola site from way back. But I knew what he meant, when he said it, and I took no offense to it. I was there, too. I knew what he meant and took no offense, though I preferred the BB site all along. This is just his mannerism and I can see where people take it the wrong way but this one seems obvious. Yes, he could have said it more professionally but the meaning would have been the same.
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