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Post by brant on May 31, 2009 14:08:38 GMT -5
Our friends on the Blue Board have been quiet since the SB election but now things are starting to rumble over there. Michael Crockett the leader of the late NSFOC and SB candidate before dropping out has now appointed himself Judge and Jury and is presenting legal documents trying to prove violations the SD made during the Metea process. I smell another lawsuit coming.
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Post by asmodeus on May 31, 2009 14:35:18 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with him pointing out how the district was bamboozled by the SD. If you have any arguments with what he posts, please feel free to provide counterpoint.
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Post by WeNeed3 on May 31, 2009 17:10:24 GMT -5
Didn't someone (Piehl maybe) state that the SB is looking into getting an on-line system to publish this information in the future?
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Post by gatormom on May 31, 2009 17:38:00 GMT -5
Didn't someone (Piehl maybe) state that the SB is looking into getting an on-line system to publish this information in the future? I have been meaning to ask someone about that. They approved the on-line system quite some time ago but it was supposed to take some time to get up and running. I had heard April but apparently not yet.
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Post by macrockett on May 31, 2009 20:47:17 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with him pointing out how the district was bamboozled by the SD. If you have any arguments with what he posts, please feel free to provide counterpoint. Thanks asmodeus, that is exactly what I am trying to do (along with providing useful information to the D204 community). I see brant has some issues with me, "leader of the late NSFOC," "Judge and Jury," presenting legal document to prove violations..." Why don't we discuss it right here brant? We can also discuss what I call the "illusory funding of MVHS" as well if you would like. I certainly understand how some people take exception to the law suit that I supported (sorry participated in, but didn't lead, in fact, wasn't even here when the group formed or the lawsuit was filed, nor did I have anything to do with the website...I was in CA doing due diligence on the purchase of a business. When I returned a month later I participated in several of the events, etc. If I had it to do over I would do the same thing, for the reasons I have discussed on blue under my own name and spoke about at the Feb 2008 and April 2008 Board meetings, during the school board race. I have never been to a single Board meeting dealing with boundary issues other than the Feb 2008 meeting, where I spoke about involving the public in the entire process. In my opinion, it was 2 more years down the road (from 2006 to 2008), I saw 5 Board members who rejected the Eola site originally now embracing it...gist is I saw issues that, imo should have been resolved by the community...through discussion and a process. If it makes anyone feel better to paint me as some sinister figure, feel free to do so. What I seek, however, is an open transparent process, where everyone participates and where decisions are made in the best interest of the community after all the facts are out there for everyone to see. None of my energy has been wasted trying to portray or mold anyone on this Board (green) or anyone in the community as anything other than what they are. Imo, that is a waste of time. What I have tried to do, however, is point out the shortcomings of our Board, especially the 7 members sitting during the last full term. The lack of transparency, trust, due diligence, and so on. A perfect example is spending the $17k or so on the consulting group hired to determine why people voted no in 2005. Yet not a dime was spent hiring a professional to determine what the best course of action was in satisfying our capacity needs. Another is that extra "funding" of MVHS. It is disingenuous at best and an insult to every one of us in the D204 community. Every one of us is now paying more through our tax bill in the form of interest expense as a result of it. Total of approximately $17 million. We may not agree on certain issues, but I don't look at anyone as my enemy, and I certainly won't portray anyone as someone they aren't. If you want to discuss issues, I would be more than happy. If you disagree with anything I have said, make your case, prove me wrong. I'm fine with that.
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Post by brant on May 31, 2009 21:50:00 GMT -5
I am only going by past history. This thing is over and done with. Why bring it up now? All right say I agree with you that everything was not done on the up and up. Say I agree with you the SD lied, cheated, stole etc. Why not bring it up earlier during the court case? I think the taxpayers that agree with your stance already are aware of and agree with what you are saying. It has been rehashed over and over. And the law says it is legal. Everything has been quiet since the SB elections. Why bring all this material out unless you have future plans for it.
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Post by wvhsparent on May 31, 2009 22:02:09 GMT -5
Welcome macrockett. I along with many others would love to see the info you have, at which time we can make our own assessments. There were a lot of things that were not done very well.
I always challenged the site selection document where BB had been chosen. We all have our "hot button" issues.
again welcome, I look forward to some spirited debate.
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Post by macy on May 31, 2009 22:27:20 GMT -5
I am only going by past history. This thing is over and done with. Why bring it up now? All right say I agree with you that everything was not done on the up and up. Say I agree with you the SD lied, cheated, stole etc. Why not bring it up earlier during the court case? I think the taxpayers that agree with your stance already are aware of and agree with what you are saying. It has been rehashed over and over. And the law says it is legal. Everything has been quiet since the SB elections. Why bring all this material out unless you have future plans for it. Brant, spoken like a true Chicago politician... " This thing is over and done with. Why bring it up now? All right say I agree with you that everything was not done on the up and up. Say I agree with you the SD lied, cheated, stole etc."Were you joking our serious when you posted that? It appeared you were serious... If you were being serious, I'm speechless! What is your point? They lied, cheated, stole... get over it because it is over?? LMAO! Regardless, I'm laughing my ass off right now! Please tell me you were joking!
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Post by brant on May 31, 2009 23:18:13 GMT -5
I was serious. I have a kid starting at WV next year. I don't want him to have to hear about it. It would be nice to have all of this behind us and look to the future instead what dwelling on the last two miserable years. So what are you going to do? You tried several different avenues; the suit and the SB election. For the sake of the kids and parents of the entire district just let it drop.
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Post by brant on May 31, 2009 23:22:27 GMT -5
I guess it is just my Chicago upbringing.
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Post by warriormom on Jun 1, 2009 7:20:05 GMT -5
I was serious. I have a kid starting at WV next year. I don't want him to have to hear about it. It would be nice to have all of this behind us and look to the future instead what dwelling on the last two miserable years. So what are you going to do? You tried several different avenues; the suit and the SB election. For the sake of the kids and parents of the entire district just let it drop. I too have a child starting at WVHS in the fall and know that his experience with be great regardless of what we are discussing here. If wrongs were committed they need to be known so that the school board/district cannot and will not operate like that in the future! I too was brought up in Chicago and do not believe in covering up the ills of this district. Kudos to MaCrockett.
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Post by brant on Jun 1, 2009 8:16:24 GMT -5
I was serious. I have a kid starting at WV next year. I don't want him to have to hear about it. It would be nice to have all of this behind us and look to the future instead what dwelling on the last two miserable years. So what are you going to do? You tried several different avenues; the suit and the SB election. For the sake of the kids and parents of the entire district just let it drop. I too have a child starting at WVHS in the fall and know that his experience with be great regardless of what we are discussing here. If wrongs were committed they need to be known so that the school board/district cannot and will not operate like that in the future! I too was brought up in Chicago and do not believe in covering up the ills of this district. Kudos to MaCrockett. I thought all the ills of the district have already been brought forth. The SB has changed somewhat and we are getting a new Super. I have faith CB will not allow certain practices that occured in the past. MV is being built so that can't be changed. I am certainly not condoning some of the secret practices the SB made. I also believe the public will demand more accountablility in the future and will get it. It is just time to move on.
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Post by warriormom on Jun 1, 2009 8:34:29 GMT -5
I too have a child starting at WVHS in the fall and know that his experience with be great regardless of what we are discussing here. If wrongs were committed they need to be known so that the school board/district cannot and will not operate like that in the future! I too was brought up in Chicago and do not believe in covering up the ills of this district. Kudos to MaCrockett. I thought all the ills of the district have already been brought forth. The SB has changed somewhat and we are getting a new Super. I have faith CB will not allow certain practices that occured in the past. MV is being built so that can't be changed. I am certainly not condoning some of the secret practices the SB made. I also believe the public will demand more accountablility in the future and will get it. It is just time to move on. exactly! The public will demand more accountability via FOIA if necessary. you seem to contradict yourself.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jun 1, 2009 8:37:45 GMT -5
I am only going by past history. This thing is over and done with. Why bring it up now? All right say I agree with you that everything was not done on the up and up. Say I agree with you the SD lied, cheated, stole etc. Why not bring it up earlier during the court case? I think the taxpayers that agree with your stance already are aware of and agree with what you are saying. It has been rehashed over and over. And the law says it is legal. Everything has been quiet since the SB elections. Why bring all this material out unless you have future plans for it. Brant, spoken like a true Chicago politician... " This thing is over and done with. Why bring it up now? All right say I agree with you that everything was not done on the up and up. Say I agree with you the SD lied, cheated, stole etc."Were you joking our serious when you posted that? It appeared you were serious... If you were being serious, I'm speechless! What is your point? They lied, cheated, stole... get over it because it is over?? LMAO! Regardless, I'm laughing my ass off right now! Please tell me you were joking! I want to qualify something here... brant mentioned "lied, cheated and stole". And many others have alluded to the same in roundabout ways. If - in fact - anyone feels that was done - bring it to the attention of the State's Attorney's Office (Take your pick DuPage or Will Co) or even better contact the Attorney General's Office. If you or anyone think a criminal act took place have them investigate. Mike C - you have the evidence via your FOIAs
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Post by wvhsparent on Jun 1, 2009 8:44:47 GMT -5
I was serious. I have a kid starting at WV next year. I don't want him to have to hear about it. It would be nice to have all of this behind us and look to the future instead what dwelling on the last two miserable years. So what are you going to do? You tried several different avenues; the suit and the SB election. For the sake of the kids and parents of the entire district just let it drop. I too have a child starting at WVHS in the fall and know that his experience with be great regardless of what we are discussing here. If wrongs were committed they need to be known so that the school board/district cannot and will not operate like that in the future! I too was brought up in Chicago and do not believe in covering up the ills of this district. Kudos to MaCrockett. A lot of those "ills" started under the watch of Howie and involved The BB land to start. Had they been much more open and forthcoming in 2005. We probably would have an open MVHS on BB right now. That was a mistake on their part, stupid yes but hardly criminal, and that is what set off the chain of events leading up to where we are now. Again I challenge anyone to cite a criminal act that occurred.
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