|
Post by WeNeed3 on Jun 17, 2008 18:48:48 GMT -5
The argument here seems to be the difference between getting past things and getting over things. Which comes first? I am personally past what has gone on but not fully over my frustrations. The further I get past the events the easier it is to get over. That being said, Joni's column did not help me do either. I can understand that SNM. I personally don't like the gloating JHB can do sometimes. I'm glad you are trying to get past things and I hope it becomes easier for you. I really feel this is a process everyone has to get through and they all do it in different ways. Some do it faster than others. But I also feel it is something we all must TRY to do for the sake of our sanity and our children's sanity. Sometimes I feel like people are stuck and are not trying very hard to work through it. Just my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by asmodeus on Jun 17, 2008 18:53:13 GMT -5
And what exactly is my agenda? You have more than once refused to answer my analogies. They are not perfect parallels, but I feel they are a good way to discuss aspects of an issue and I'd seriously like to hear WHY they are "twisted."
|
|
|
Post by asmodeus on Jun 17, 2008 18:57:38 GMT -5
Again, IYHO, you mean.
That is pretty lame. It is a documented FACT that for any given level of donations to a particular cause, there is a significant multiple that supports it in principle. And to say that a significant number of those who signed up on the NSFOC website were actually spies is utterly ridiculous and pointless.
|
|
sushi
Master Member
Posts: 767
|
Post by sushi on Jun 17, 2008 19:04:14 GMT -5
IYO. I know many who signed up to keep up with the goings on. Money talks, BS walks. I would guess those who didn't put their money where their mouth is did not believe enough in the cause.
|
|
|
Post by Arch on Jun 17, 2008 20:07:14 GMT -5
I think I agree with you there. Children don't seem to hold the grudges adults do. Children can easily adapt. That's why I feel it is important to get these kids excited about the schools they are going to, not let them sit in limbo for a year wondering if someone is going to come in and change things for them. That appears to be a little bit conflicting. They can change and adapt easily, so even if things change... by your statement.. they'll easily adapt.
|
|
|
Post by Arch on Jun 17, 2008 20:08:41 GMT -5
IYO. I know many who signed up to keep up with the goings on. Money talks, BS walks. I would guess those who didn't put their money where their mouth is did not believe enough in the cause. You'd be amazed what can be done for $0.00
|
|
|
Post by eb204 on Jun 17, 2008 21:06:13 GMT -5
That is pretty lame. It is a documented FACT that for any given level of donations to a particular cause, there is a significant multiple that supports it in principle. And to say that a significant number of those who signed up on the NSFOC website were actually spies is utterly ridiculous and pointless.I never said they were spies. I just said that there are those that signed up to keep up with the happenings of the NSFOC. Purely informational, at least that's why I signed up. And I know quite a few people that did the same thing. After all, the website was published in the paper at the very origination of the NSFOC. I would guess that several people went there out of curiosity and signed up to keep up. Not ridiculous at all. In fact, I'm guessing that the NSFOC was counting on those hits to the website. 'll agree with you on the pointless part, though. It was pretty pointless for me to sign up because I didn't learn anything but FUD from their site. If what you are saying is, indeed, a documented fact, then show us that documentation.
|
|
|
Post by gatordog on Jun 17, 2008 21:34:47 GMT -5
As much as I really do agree with Joni and it is time to move on, I will say that it is too bad this is a bittersweet victory. So many parents want what is "best" for their kids and are unwilling to budge an iota from their ideal scenario. Then there are the residents of this district (ie: Ashwood Park, Owen West, Gombert etc) who don't like their commutes and/or the splits and moved on a long time ago. Kudos to them. . Thanks, weneed3, for recognizing many of my neighbors. I agree that many in these areas are indeed showing a good understanding of what it takes to move this district forward. I will tell you another group that deserves a lot of credit: the students at Still MS. Having a child that just finished 8th grade there, I hear a lot of the buzz there. From all the grades. These kids know they have it a bit tough, there is no denying that. But for those I have talked to---and from hearing what my daughter says about her friends--their morale is good. This group is focusing on summer activities, hanging out, the opposite sex , all the typical things young teenagers do. There are future MV students enthusiastically participating in WV band camp, and making terrific music. I saw future MV students at the girls soccer match with their faces painted green and gold cheering wildly for the Warriors. These kids are just so excited to be experiencing this wonderful "I am almost in HS" feeling! I really believe these group of Still kids will be great leaders in starting or continuing great traditions at their future HS. And although I may not see it directly, I have no doubt whatsoever that that there are equally great groups of students at Hill, Granger, Scullen, Crone, and Gregory. With kids such as these....how can I be anything else but completely optimistic about the future for all three of our HS's?
|
|
|
Post by WeNeed3 on Jun 17, 2008 21:54:48 GMT -5
I think I agree with you there. Children don't seem to hold the grudges adults do. Children can easily adapt. That's why I feel it is important to get these kids excited about the schools they are going to, not let them sit in limbo for a year wondering if someone is going to come in and change things for them. That appears to be a little bit conflicting. They can change and adapt easily, so even if things change... by your statement.. they'll easily adapt. True, they will easily adapt. But just because they will, doesn't mean we should put them through it again or have them put their life on hold until we make them adapt again. Like GD said, let them be kids and do the "almost in HS" things kids do.
|
|
|
Post by warriorpride on Jun 17, 2008 22:02:31 GMT -5
And what exactly is my agenda? You have more than once refused to answer my analogies. They are not perfect parallels, but I feel they are a good way to discuss aspects of an issue and I'd seriously like to hear WHY they are "twisted." talking about "possibly corrupt politicans" while drawing a parallel between the Chicago Childrens Musuem and MV
|
|
|
Post by Arch on Jun 17, 2008 22:21:34 GMT -5
That appears to be a little bit conflicting. They can change and adapt easily, so even if things change... by your statement.. they'll easily adapt. True, they will easily adapt. But just because they will, doesn't mean we should put them through it again or have them put their life on hold until we make them adapt again. Like GD said, let them be kids and do the "almost in HS" things kids do. All the 8th graders that would be going to MV under any scenario will be Warriors in the fall, so really, there's nothing that's going to change for the 'going into HS' experience no matter what happens.
|
|
|
Post by Arch on Jun 17, 2008 22:23:26 GMT -5
And what exactly is my agenda? You have more than once refused to answer my analogies. They are not perfect parallels, but I feel they are a good way to discuss aspects of an issue and I'd seriously like to hear WHY they are "twisted." talking about "possibly corrupt politicans" while drawing a parallel between the Chicago Childrens Musuem and MV I seem to recall some not nice things being said about a State Senator back in April/May... something about using political influence in a not so noble way I believe was one of the many statements put forth.
|
|
|
Post by warriorpride on Jun 17, 2008 22:42:02 GMT -5
talking about "possibly corrupt politicans" while drawing a parallel between the Chicago Childrens Musuem and MV I seem to recall some not nice things being said about a State Senator back in April/May... something about using political influence in a not so noble way I believe was one of the many statements put forth. good point - were those allegations false? but my point was that there seemed to be an inference that some of the SB members are "corrupt"
|
|
|
Post by asmodeus on Jun 17, 2008 22:42:31 GMT -5
The point is that whether these elected officials are honest/corrupt or competent/incompetent, some of the decisions they make have serious, long-term ramifications. And when there is even a hint of impropriety, people have the right--or even obligation!--to mount a legal challenge (maybe you've heard of our system of checks and balances?). Sometimes it's not enough to say "well, let's just vote the bums out next time." The damage may be done and the administration will be long gone.
As much as I feel for a class or two that would be affected by a delay in construction, I think it was foolish to rush into a 50-yr decision as we did with AME. But that decision is over with. However, there are still ancillary issues such as boundaries that are still up for debate. As much as kids and parents may want to know right now what the final boundaries are, there is no good reason the boundaries can't be open to tweaking between now and next spring. Even if the end result doesn't change one iota, it would show that we are putting in a thorough analysis of all factors, both financial and otherwise. Those who would deny or try to dissuade the SB the opportunity to do that are clearly acting in their own best interests, and hiding behind the "let's move on" mantra.
|
|
|
Post by Arch on Jun 17, 2008 22:43:37 GMT -5
I seem to recall some not nice things being said about a State Senator back in April/May... something about using political influence in a not so noble way I believe was one of the many statements put forth. good point - were those allegations false? but my point was that there seemed to be an inference that some of the SB members are "corrupt" I don't know if they were true or not and I didn't speculate they were true, but many here did and never put up any evidence to support it that I could find other than innuendo and supposition.
|
|