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Post by momto4 on Apr 23, 2008 20:55:49 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be great if we could do this all the time again?
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Post by wvhsparent on Apr 24, 2008 8:28:03 GMT -5
I just wanted to say how enjoyable this discussion was with all of you today. I really enjoyed talking about something other than the site, the safety, NSFOC, etc.!!!! Thanks ...which is not to say that the above mentioned are not important.....just refreshing to talk about something else!!!!! You find a topic...post it and we'll be there to discuss.
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Apr 24, 2008 8:31:51 GMT -5
It does take your mind off of things and make you realize that it is the KIDS that are important. That is what we should be discussing on this board.
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Post by warriorpride on Apr 24, 2008 8:35:57 GMT -5
It does take your mind off of things and make you realize that it is the KIDS that are important. That is what we should be discussing on this board. tell nFUD that
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Apr 24, 2008 8:44:09 GMT -5
It does take your mind off of things and make you realize that it is the KIDS that are important. That is what we should be discussing on this board. tell nFUD that Wish I could. Don't have the thingeys to go up to them tonight and speak my mind. Wouldn't listen anyway.
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Post by 3woodgal on Apr 24, 2008 9:21:46 GMT -5
Wish I could. Don't have the thingeys to go up to them tonight and speak my mind. Wouldn't listen anyway. I agree about Sleepless' comment regarding the children. I would love to see the administration's DETAILED plan of how they are going to improve the scores/grades of our failing community at WV (and bringing in students from other schools is not addressing the kids who still are below the bar)? Spoke to a former principal of our district and ironically this is one of the reasons that they opted to leave (did not see a true concern for these kids). So sad. And for the record I have a child that is in the accelerated track so it is not about me complaining "Why aren't they helping my failing child?" While I feel that parents need to do their part at home, it appears that these children are not receiving all the "tools" that are out there by our district. Oh well, off to volunteer at school.
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Post by gatormom on Apr 24, 2008 9:30:33 GMT -5
Wish I could. Don't have the thingeys to go up to them tonight and speak my mind. Wouldn't listen anyway. I agree about Sleepless' comment regarding the children. I would love to see the administration's DETAILED plan of how they are going to improve the scores/grades of our failing community at WV (and bringing in students from other schools is not addressing the kids who still are below the bar)? Spoke to a former principal of our district and ironically this is one of the reasons that they opted to leave (did not see a true concern for these kids). So sad. And for the record I have a child that is in the accelerated track so it is not about me complaining "Why aren't they helping my failing child?" While I feel that parents need to do their part at home, it appears that these children are not receiving all the "tools" that are out there by our district. Oh well, off to volunteer at school. Jim Schmidt spoke at the last regular SB meeting about the school improvement plan. You could watch it. He gave a detailed report on the actions they are taking to address the needs of all the children who are not meeting AYP.
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Post by momto4 on Apr 24, 2008 9:51:35 GMT -5
I agree about Sleepless' comment regarding the children. I would love to see the administration's DETAILED plan of how they are going to improve the scores/grades of our failing community at WV (and bringing in students from other schools is not addressing the kids who still are below the bar)? Spoke to a former principal of our district and ironically this is one of the reasons that they opted to leave (did not see a true concern for these kids). So sad. And for the record I have a child that is in the accelerated track so it is not about me complaining "Why aren't they helping my failing child?" While I feel that parents need to do their part at home, it appears that these children are not receiving all the "tools" that are out there by our district. Oh well, off to volunteer at school. The detailed plan exists and has been discussed publicly. As I asked yesterday of you and will ask again today - what specific needs are not being met? What complaints are out there about what our schools are not providing? Those who can do something about it should hear about this. As far as I know we have plans and programs galore and something available to help everyone. The trouble is when the parents are not supportive or the kids are not motivated and those are hard things to overcome in a school. Our schools are not failing our students. Our students are by and large excelling.
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Post by title1parent on May 5, 2008 8:34:45 GMT -5
Please Discuss NCLB and WV in this thread.
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Post by arc on May 5, 2008 9:07:00 GMT -5
Those of you with high schoolers could you please pm me and describe the scope of the intermural sports program? thanks!
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Post by player on May 5, 2008 17:36:54 GMT -5
While I am not one for conspiracy theories and I don't think that NCLB is a great program, I think this is a very serious problem for our school district. If we don't make AYP (and given the history of test scores someone posted on blue in some of the sub-groups, I think this is almost a given), the consequences are really dire. I don't think NV is in such a bad place because it hasn't been failing AYP for years now. Does opening MV and reshuffling students restart the NCLB clock for WV? ETA: Just want to add that I am in no way bashing WV here. I understand that the dire situation is caused by flaws in NCLB, and I am sure that the teaching staff and administration are working very hard to try to meet AYP. The problem is that until the federal gov't. changes NCLB, we are subject to its faults and its consequences. Not too pretty. arwen: Couldn't agree with you more! I think NCLB is fundamentally flawed, and if its implementation goes on as planned, 100% of all schools in the US will be non compliant by 2014. Heres the core issue. NCLB is based on the premise that kids fail to achieve required competency levels in basic skills because of failure by the school system. If we only taught better, if only our curriculum were different, if we only had the best teachers,.... everything would be hunky-dory and we'd have 100% graduation rates and everyone would pass competency. The assumption is flawed. Consider the notion of IQ scores. By definition, the average is 100 and the curve is a bell curve with tails on both ends. The higher end are what our society considers "genius"s and the lower end are "challenged". We gear our educational system towards the mean - average 100-110 in IQ scores. This means that necessarily, some fraction will NOT make the grade as their IQ is <80! So NCLB is constructed to fail. Now, I am not a huge fan of IQ as a measure of success in life - I can give you dozens of examples of high-IQ people who are complete failures in societies eyes, and equally many of low-IQ people who are successful and happy. We do irreparable damage by telling a child that unless they score better than an arbitrary number, they are doomed for failure. This is so wrong! Instead we push them into even more demanding grades, without mastering the material in the previous grades, setting them up for even greater failure! Just to be compliant with a bone-headed program. What we need to do is to recognize such children and redirect their energies into an area where they will succeed. Not force them along the median path and tell them that if they stray, they fail. Now, some kids do come from disadvantaged backgrounds, and here, special assistance can and should be provided to allow them to transcend their environmentals (no - I'm no talking about pipelines! , but by and large, the segment that is having genuine problem with the curriculum should be targeted towards different more fulfilling careers. Just my $0.02. Cheers. P.S. This is so much better than battling pipelines!
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Post by Arwen on May 5, 2008 19:50:24 GMT -5
I agree player - I prefer this to pipelines any day of the week!
You know what data I would like to see? Of the kids failing to meet standards, I would like to know how many have been educated in the district for many years and how many are new to the district (maybe < 2 years here). I think this would be enlightening, but I don't think we have any way of getting that data
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Post by wvhsparent on May 5, 2008 20:04:21 GMT -5
Now that's the proper place to use the term Bone-headed!
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Post by momto4 on May 5, 2008 20:11:52 GMT -5
I agree player - I prefer this to pipelines any day of the week! You know what data I would like to see? Of the kids failing to meet standards, I would like to know how many have been educated in the district for many years and how many are new to the district (maybe < 2 years here). I think this would be enlightening, but I don't think we have any way of getting that data I think the scores should only count for nclb purposes if the child has been in the district a minimum amount of time. It's ridiculous what some poorer districts with large numbers of new students each year are being asked to do. Impossible in fact. There are no programs in any district that can address the fact that newer students have not had the benefit of whatever that district has to offer.
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