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Post by gatormom on Aug 11, 2008 12:38:54 GMT -5
Is it possible Arch that some are looking forward to the new high school?
I know there were a few around here who were disappointed that our children didn't get the new high school. Those folk mostly have younger children.
One plus for selling in your area is the new high school, whether you agree or not. Some people don't have the history you do and for them, it is okay.
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Post by Arch on Aug 11, 2008 12:52:20 GMT -5
GM: "Is it possible Arch that some are looking forward to the new high school? "
Of course it is. The same as it's possible that it may not have factored in at all to the home purchase decision; which is what I was pointing out.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Aug 11, 2008 14:06:32 GMT -5
GM: "Is it possible Arch that some are looking forward to the new high school? " Of course it is. The same as it's possible that it may not have factored in at all to the home purchase decision; which is what I was pointing out. That could be true. However, even if you are in this area for 5-7 years, you buy a home with good resale potential. With all of the technology/internet information at our fingertips, I think buyers today are more educated than in the past. I can't believe everyone that has bought in Watts area in the last two weeks didn't do any research about the schools and didn't care about resale. I'm sure many see the new MV as a great selling point. It's really sad that you seem to be so negative about the area you live in...like no one in their right minds would want to move there. That is a great area--north of 75th Street and close to downtown. And now it has a new school that many are excited about. I have a friend who is a teacher and she lives in the Watts attendance area. Has small kids. Wants to upgrade and stay in the Watts area for good. Again, has heard all the hoopla and has no problem with MV or the commute. I'm not discrediting those people that are disappointed because they moved to the WV area and now have to leave it, just as those that are leaving NV have a right to be disappointed as well. I'm just trying to show you that it is just not all doom and gloom like you always seem to think and that the boundaries are not responsible for the poor real estate market in Naperville.
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Post by Arch on Aug 11, 2008 14:19:50 GMT -5
GM: "Is it possible Arch that some are looking forward to the new high school? " Of course it is. The same as it's possible that it may not have factored in at all to the home purchase decision; which is what I was pointing out. That could be true. However, even if you are in this area for 5-7 years, you buy a home with good resale potential. With all of the technology/internet information at our fingertips, I think buyers today are more educated than in the past. I can't believe everyone that has bought in Watts area in the last two weeks didn't do any research about the schools and didn't care about resale. I'm sure many see the new MV as a great selling point. It's really sad that you seem to be so negative about the area you live in...like no one in their right minds would want to move there. That is a great area--north of 75th Street and close to downtown. And now it has a new school that many are excited about. I have a friend who is a teacher and she lives in the Watts attendance area. Has small kids. Wants to upgrade and stay in the Watts area for good. Again, has heard all the hoopla and has no problem with MV or the commute. I'm not discrediting those people that are disappointed because they moved to the WV area and now have to leave it, just as those that are leaving NV have a right to be disappointed as well. I'm just trying to show you that it is just not all doom and gloom like you always seem to think and that the boundaries are not responsible for the poor real estate market in Naperville.The area I bolded is your own silly opinionated interpretation and is not something I ever said. I would appreciate it if you would not try to do such irresponsible things in the future. There is a huge draw to this area (and always has been) because of its affordable-centric location to the entire city of Naperville. In the past couple of years there are also a number of families who 'upsized' to the southern parts of town who are moving back. As to why they are, that's for them to decide and I'm not about to second guess if it was for a shiny new HS or not. I wouldn't doubt that for some it was a factor but I would not assume that for all it was either.
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Post by momto4 on Aug 11, 2008 14:37:49 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that many people with kids in HS or about to enter HS try not to move during that time, so it wouldn't be uncommon for those moving in/out to have no kids, older than HS kids, or younger than MS. Also - I agree that many who won't have HS kids in the next X years are not that concerned about the HS other than being in a good district (because they have younger kids and/or for resale value). In the other neighborhoods I've lived in some planned to move before their kids got to HS age either because they wanted to upsize or wanted something different in a HS. Some didn't want their kids to attend HS in a certain city, or wanted their kids to attend a smaller HS.
There are as many different circumstances as there are families and really all we have to go by is what we've heard from those we know who are moving in and out, and what the market data shows overall. Houses in my area seem to be selling ok.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Aug 11, 2008 14:47:55 GMT -5
I agree momto4, everyone has their own reasons for moving. I'm sorry if I offended you arch as that was not my intention. I was just pointing out that some people do factor in the HS when making a housing decision and are still picking MV.
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Post by wvhsparent on Aug 11, 2008 15:37:05 GMT -5
That could be true. However, even if you are in this area for 5-7 years, you buy a home with good resale potential. With all of the technology/internet information at our fingertips, I think buyers today are more educated than in the past. I can't believe everyone that has bought in Watts area in the last two weeks didn't do any research about the schools and didn't care about resale. I'm sure many see the new MV as a great selling point. It's really sad that you seem to be so negative about the area you live in...like no one in their right minds would want to move there. That is a great area--north of 75th Street and close to downtown. And now it has a new school that many are excited about. I have a friend who is a teacher and she lives in the Watts attendance area. Has small kids. Wants to upgrade and stay in the Watts area for good. Again, has heard all the hoopla and has no problem with MV or the commute. I'm not discrediting those people that are disappointed because they moved to the WV area and now have to leave it, just as those that are leaving NV have a right to be disappointed as well. I'm just trying to show you that it is just not all doom and gloom like you always seem to think and that the boundaries are not responsible for the poor real estate market in Naperville.The area I bolded is your own silly opinionated interpretation and is not something I ever said. I would appreciate it if you would not try to do such irresponsible things in the future. There is a huge draw to this area (and always has been) because of its affordable-centric location to the entire city of Naperville. In the past couple of years there are also a number of families who 'upsized' to the southern parts of town who are moving back. As to why they are, that's for them to decide and I'm not about to second guess if it was for a shiny new HS or not. I wouldn't doubt that for some it was a factor but I would not assume that for all it was either. arch, what she said was not silly or irresponsible. While it's true you never actually said those words. They have been inferred whether it's right or wrong does not matter, it is what it is. I am glad you can come here refute it and let all know you not negative. We all have our own opinions
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Post by Arch on Aug 11, 2008 15:52:43 GMT -5
The area I bolded is your own silly opinionated interpretation and is not something I ever said. I would appreciate it if you would not try to do such irresponsible things in the future. There is a huge draw to this area (and always has been) because of its affordable-centric location to the entire city of Naperville. In the past couple of years there are also a number of families who 'upsized' to the southern parts of town who are moving back. As to why they are, that's for them to decide and I'm not about to second guess if it was for a shiny new HS or not. I wouldn't doubt that for some it was a factor but I would not assume that for all it was either. arch, what she said was not silly or irresponsible. While it's true you never actually said those words. They have been inferred whether it's right or wrong does not matter, it is what it is. I am glad you can come here refute it and let all know you not negative. We all have our own opinions We can agree to disagree on the adjectives of the action, however, if I gave you my 'inferred' opinion of your position and presented it as apparent fact and was flat out wrong about it... I do not believe you would find it responsible of me to state such a thing nor do I believe you would find it dignified, wise or clearheaded. I fully accept the apology already given.
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Post by doctorwho on Aug 11, 2008 16:12:45 GMT -5
The area I bolded is your own silly opinionated interpretation and is not something I ever said. I would appreciate it if you would not try to do such irresponsible things in the future. There is a huge draw to this area (and always has been) because of its affordable-centric location to the entire city of Naperville. In the past couple of years there are also a number of families who 'upsized' to the southern parts of town who are moving back. As to why they are, that's for them to decide and I'm not about to second guess if it was for a shiny new HS or not. I wouldn't doubt that for some it was a factor but I would not assume that for all it was either. arch, what she said was not silly or irresponsible. While it's true you never actually said those words. They have been inferred whether it's right or wrong does not matter, it is what it is. I am glad you can come here refute it and let all know you not negative. We all have our own opinions I have stood on the side on this however there also seems to be an undertone that somehow people do not believe that a whole lot of people are upset here. All one has to do is look at the two boards - count up those who are from Watts ( not who have an opinion on it but actually live here) and tell me which of those is positive about the move to MV ? The fact that there is no one speaks volumes.One can say it's an isolated group - but then so is everyone here with an opinion. While there are a few who might want a new HS, and some more who will deal with whatever they are dealt, there is still a large contingent who is unaware- and a larger contingent not happy about it at all. For those of us who have lived here for 15-20 years, and know why some have already left, some others leaving and the talk in the neighborhoods, these are the facts as we see them and live them daily. It is a great area with walking access to Ribfest / Last fling - etc...however this decision has negatively affected this area, not positively affected it. If that offends some people, well I guess that's the way that is also. Was not the intent, it is just statement of everyday life here. In talking to my realtor friend here, ( realtor in Naperville 10+ years) - they see it as I am explaining also - the double hit on the commute far outweighs any 'bonus' of a shiny new school. It's just the facts, nothing for anyone to take personally...just as they told me, it was hard enough to sell the fact we don't go to Central living right next to italready , this just made it much harder. Their words - not mine.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Aug 11, 2008 16:40:57 GMT -5
Doc, I can understand that you and everyone else moved to Watts before the boundaries. It is only natural for you to be disappointed about the drive you now face.
I guess I just see it (and I should probably say IMO so as not to upset anyone) people moving today probably for the most part know about the new school and where it is located. There may be some that don't care right now, but I am sure there are others that are OK with the location, just as many people buying in Ginger Woods long ago were OK with the commute to WV. I would think that most people currently living in Watts would be more upset over the change than the new ones coming in.
I look at Watt's location on the boundary map, and to an outsider or someone new to the area, it looks pretty equidistant to all three schools. Unless you drive the route, one would never know there is a difference.
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Post by eb204 on Aug 11, 2008 16:57:22 GMT -5
GM: "Is it possible Arch that some are looking forward to the new high school? " Of course it is. The same as it's possible that it may not have factored in at all to the home purchase decision; which is what I was pointing out. That could be true. However, even if you are in this area for 5-7 years, you buy a home with good resale potential. With all of the technology/internet information at our fingertips, I think buyers today are more educated than in the past. I can't believe everyone that has bought in Watts area in the last two weeks didn't do any research about the schools and didn't care about resale. I'm sure many see the new MV as a great selling point. It's really sad that you seem to be so negative about the area you live in...like no one in their right minds would want to move there. That is a great area--north of 75th Street and close to downtown. And now it has a new school that many are excited about. I have a friend who is a teacher and she lives in the Watts attendance area. Has small kids. Wants to upgrade and stay in the Watts area for good. Again, has heard all the hoopla and has no problem with MV or the commute. I'm not discrediting those people that are disappointed because they moved to the WV area and now have to leave it, just as those that are leaving NV have a right to be disappointed as well. I'm just trying to show you that it is just not all doom and gloom like you always seem to think and that the boundaries are not responsible for the poor real estate market in Naperville. Main Entry: seem Pronunciation: \ˈsçm\ Function: intransitive verb 1 : to appear to the observation or understanding 2 : to give the impression of being Arch, I've used the word "seem" or "seems" in my comments, too and you have accused me of stating something you have not said. So, as a moderator, I wanted to provide the dictionary definition of the word so that when it is used again in such a context, there is not a misunderstanding or unneccessary accusatory replies. Given Meriam -Webster's definition, it would seem that the previous comments seemed "silly" or "irresponsible" to you and therefore, became your opinion/observation and not fact. This is why I also feel the need to include the "IMO" whenever possible so as not to confuse the two. It would seem that again, we are moving in the direction of re-hashing the pros/cons of MVHS and who seems to have go gotten the short end of the stick. Its all seems vaguely familiar to me, so let's not go there again, please. WeNeed was simply explaining some of the statistics she found/heard regarding the market area around MVHS as it relates to the topic of the realtor open house and it would seem that the subject has come back around to long commutes and areas who got screwed...again. It seems we're done on that subject.
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Post by Arch on Aug 11, 2008 17:08:37 GMT -5
WN3,
MW area is counter commute to NV and WV and the minor 'distance' between those two doesn't seem like any factor at all because the heavy traffic is going the other direction both in the morning and in the afternoon/evening. Regardless if MW went to NV or WV, the difference in commute is really nothing one could put their finger on at all and have anything to 'complain' about.
MW relative to MV is actually *IN* the heavier side of the commute both times of day. There is the difference that transcends the placements on a map and the un-closeness relative to the other two possibilities in a boundary scenario are the bank-shot.
GW never had any other option and call it my humble opinion, but if GW were sent to WV or NV in the new scheme I would be quite astonished if everyone there would be OK with the commute. People new to an area home-shopping don't normally visit homes during rush-hour or do time-of-day appropriate dry-runs from home to their assigned schools to even appreciate the effect this change brings.
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Post by Arch on Aug 11, 2008 17:11:17 GMT -5
eb204,
I am sure I could put in 'seem' into some carefully crafted opinionated posts that would not only honk you off but would also get my account banned.
If you wish to give me a blank check to try it, let me know.. I'll give it my best shot. Otherwise, thank you for seeming to share your opinion after the fact in a conversation that was already done between two posters on the board and had already worked it out between them.
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Post by gatormom on Aug 11, 2008 17:22:08 GMT -5
eb204, I am sure I could put in 'seem' into some carefully crafted opinionated posts that would not only honk you off but would also get my account banned. If you wish to give me a blank check to try it, let me know.. I'll give it my best shot. Otherwise, thank you for seeming to share your opinion after the fact in a conversation that was already done between two posters on the board and had already worked it out between them. Nah, no blank check. That would really honk some of us off and your assumption is correct. So reading the original email, seems this open house is mainly about Metea. That should be interesting for the realtors. I wonder if there are others who might be interested in learning more about WV. Of course, they have opened WV for several years to the realtors.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Aug 11, 2008 17:28:29 GMT -5
WN3, MW area is counter commute to NV and WV and the minor 'distance' between those two doesn't seem like any factor at all because the heavy traffic is going the other direction both in the morning and in the afternoon/evening. Regardless if MW went to NV or WV, the difference in commute is really nothing one could put their finger on at all and have anything to 'complain' about. MW relative to MV is actually *IN* the heavier side of the commute both times of day. There is the difference that transcends the placements on a map and the un-closeness relative to the other two possibilities in a boundary scenario are the bank-shot. GW never had any other option and call it my humble opinion, but if GW were sent to WV or NV in the new scheme I would be quite astonished if everyone there would be OK with the commute. People new to an area home-shopping don't normally visit homes during rush-hour or do time-of-day appropriate dry-runs from home to their assigned schools to even appreciate the effect this change brings. Yes arch, What you say is very true. Again, not disputing it is longer to MV than WV for you. I bet it also has a lot to do with our wonderful "gridless" city that we live in too that makes driving anywhere around here a nightmare. I, however, must be in the minority when home shopping. When I moved here, I considered the commutes to the high schools my kids were faced with and chose accordingly. We also took into account how many minutes it was to the train station and actually timed these things. I guess I'm weird. Many people don't do this I'm sure. But to me, that means that they must not be too concerned about it when they choose their home or they would be driving the commute and not buying there if it was a problem. Just my opinion of course. The point I was trying to make on page 1 or whatever is that regardless of why they choose where they do, people are moving to the areas that "got the short stick". And that's a good thing. And that is all I will say about it since I am off topic.
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