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Post by gatormom on Sept 29, 2008 9:58:50 GMT -5
The worst part of this whole thing is that the kid went for the officers gun. Why would a kid for for a gun? Did he intend to use it once he had it? And if so, on who? So much is not known and that is scary. This could have been so much worse. Do you really think the kid was thinking about next step? He got angry and acted, no thought involved IMO. You are right, this could have been so much worse. Fortunately, the officer(s) handled the situation and nobody got hurt.
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Post by rural on Sept 29, 2008 10:07:56 GMT -5
Is it possible that the principal had not yet been informed of the altercation at the time of the phone call by the press?
I can see the press calling the school as soon as they hear the call on the police radio. Isn't it potentially believable that the press knew what was going on before the principal did?
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Post by asmodeus on Sept 29, 2008 10:22:46 GMT -5
Well, yes...I guess we are assuming she knew of the incident when asked about it.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Sept 29, 2008 10:27:25 GMT -5
Is it a "gang," a "group," or a "clique"? There have always been loosely defined groups such as the jocks, the burn-outs, etc. I am strictly talking about kids who belong to a street gang that deals in drugs and guns. Kids who have no father figure so the gang becomes the family authority. I cannot say NV has none of these problems. But as they say, all stereotypes begin with a kernel of truth. WV has an image problem in comparison to NV for a reason. And the reason is simple...the demographics of the two schools are not identical. Incidents such as these will no doubt magnify that and embolden those who are unhappy at having to switch to WV. Yes, we are all part of D204. But D204 is an arbitrary area of land. I don't believe these kids would be classified as a typical gang. From what I've been told, they don't wear the gang clothing and go around spray painting their symbols all over the place. And they are a small group just like at WV. They are a bunch of rich kids with nothing to do but deal in drug trafficking. And I'm not talking just selling something in the bathroom. You don't have to be poor to get into trouble. This is where the stereotypical thing has got to stop around here. If you think NV is a sheltered little place to put your Johnny or Susie so they won't learn about the bad kids out there, think again. These type of kids, IMO, could be much worse because some kids wouldn't even recognize them as bad. To automatically assume this kid is in a gang because he goes to WV or grabbed the gun is a huge assumption and then to say I don't want my kid going there because of this one incident is insane. This could easily have happened at NV.
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Post by steckdad on Sept 29, 2008 11:11:52 GMT -5
Is it a "gang," a "group," or a "clique"? There have always been loosely defined groups such as the jocks, the burn-outs, etc. I am strictly talking about kids who belong to a street gang that deals in drugs and guns. Kids who have no father figure so the gang becomes the family authority. I cannot say NV has none of these problems. But as they say, all stereotypes begin with a kernel of truth. WV has an image problem in comparison to NV for a reason. And the reason is simple...the demographics of the two schools are not identical. Incidents such as these will no doubt magnify that and embolden those who are unhappy at having to switch to WV. Yes, we are all part of D204. But D204 is an arbitrary area of land. yalibnan.com/site/archives/2006/06/img/hizbla%20protest%2003.jpg
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Post by we4 on Sept 29, 2008 11:32:11 GMT -5
The worst part of this whole thing is that the kid went for the officers gun. Why would a kid for for a gun? Did he intend to use it once he had it? And if so, on who? So much is not known and that is scary. This could have been so much worse. Do you really think the kid was thinking about next step? He got angry and acted, no thought involved IMO. You are right, this could have been so much worse. Fortunately, the officer(s) handled the situation and nobody got hurt. Not sure if the kid thought about the next step completely, but according to the article, he tried repeatedly for the officers gun. "When the officer went to arrest Jackson, police said a fight ensued, during which Jackson tried repeatedly to grab the officer's gun, eventually unlatching the safety on the officer's holster." Once may be accidental contact, but this seems more then that. We just do not know what was going thought the kids head. However, kids know what guns do.
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Post by sardines on Sept 29, 2008 11:38:34 GMT -5
All you have to do is peruse the police blotters....this is from last Thursday's blotter about an hour or so after the WV incident....we may not hear about all the events (depending on which ones the Herald and Sun decide to report on) but they are happening everywhere folks.. Thursday Sept. 25 Disorderly conduct: ____________, 17, 1516 Warm Springs Lane; 3:29 p.m. at Neuqua Valley High School, 2360 95th St.; charged with disorderly conduct.
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Post by gatormom on Sept 29, 2008 11:40:09 GMT -5
Do you really think the kid was thinking about next step? He got angry and acted, no thought involved IMO. You are right, this could have been so much worse. Fortunately, the officer(s) handled the situation and nobody got hurt. Not sure if the kid thought about the next step completely, but according to the article, he tried repeatedly for the officers gun. "When the officer went to arrest Jackson, police said a fight ensued, during which Jackson tried repeatedly to grab the officer's gun, eventually unlatching the safety on the officer's holster." Once may be accidental contact, but this seems more then that. We just do not know what was going thought the kids head. However, kids know what guns do. Certainly the kid was going for the officer's gun, no doubt about it. I just don't think there was any thought at all involved just anger. On the other hand, does it matter? Scary situation, handled by the officers, nobody was hurt thankfully. I am concerned that there have been two rather prominent issues at Waubonsie in the last few weeks. I do hope to hear something reassuring from our district.
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Post by wvhsparent on Sept 29, 2008 11:56:15 GMT -5
It is the difference between having a gang element or not. I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is a gang element at NV. I believe there is at WV, albeit extremely small. But all it takes, as we see in this story, is one kid. Of course we could argue forever about there being "normal" kids who go psycho and create a Columbine situation. I would never say that unspeakable violence is impossible at any school, even private ones like Benet. In that sense, NV is as vulnerable as WV. Hate to burst your bubble....there are gang elements at both schools............You are in denial to think otherwise, which many of the DuPage/Will towns/cities did for a long time. How do I know? 23 years in Law Enforcement and still going strong.
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Post by wvhsparent on Sept 29, 2008 12:05:48 GMT -5
Well, yes...I guess we are assuming she knew of the incident when asked about it. And she could have replied that she had no knowledge of the incident, to which they interpreted as a denial.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Sept 29, 2008 12:14:03 GMT -5
Well, yes...I guess we are assuming she knew of the incident when asked about it. And she could have replied that she had no knowledge of the incident, to which they interpreted as a denial. That's a good point. This incident occurred at 1:45. Isn't that close to the end of the school day? Who knows when the paper called. And being such a big thing with the gun, maybe she did say she didn't have any direct knowledge of it yet and didn't want to speak incorrectly about the whole thing which, naturally, our papers are going to misinterpret and twist like they always do. The Sun hasn't had anything too juicy to blog about except whether it is right to hang your laundry outside your home.
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Post by majorianthrax on Sept 29, 2008 12:23:05 GMT -5
Is it a "gang," a "group," or a "clique"? There have always been loosely defined groups such as the jocks, the burn-outs, etc. I am strictly talking about kids who belong to a street gang that deals in drugs and guns. Kids who have no father figure so the gang becomes the family authority. I cannot say NV has none of these problems. But as they say, all stereotypes begin with a kernel of truth. WV has an image problem in comparison to NV for a reason. And the reason is simple...the demographics of the two schools are not identical. Incidents such as these will no doubt magnify that and embolden those who are unhappy at having to switch to WV. Yes, we are all part of D204. But D204 is an arbitrary area of land. Oh yes there are those on the SW side who think WV is dangerous while NV if a safe haven. I have heard it often during the last two years. Even last month I was standing in line at Jewel and two women in back of me were talking about the "gang mentality at WV". I go to the Post Office on 95 and Book often and while I haven't really seen it much this year, the last two years there were a group of kids I think you could classify as a gang that hung around in the parking lot. There was police activity over there and I remember reading in the papers that there was a drug deal gone bad and a police officer was jumped. There were four kids that went to jail. And it happened during school hours. It goes on all over honey. Oh and one other thing. The kids from Stonebridge attend WV. I doubt if many people who are protesting attending WV could afford to live there.
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Post by gatordog on Sept 29, 2008 12:38:01 GMT -5
I am afraid I agree with you, asmodeous. The reasons for some being unhappy are pretty simple. These different demographics are part of our society, arent they? Can one really buy a house in a neighborhood somehow thinking they would be sheltered from these demographics? (For example, what happened at WV could have easily happened not just at NV, but at Fox Valley Mall, teen or college campus hangouts, or countless other places our kids to go to.) What we all are a part of first and foremost is the United States of America. And like it or not, our country is made up of a range of "demographics". Look, people can be unhappy for being assigned to WV for whatever reasons they want to. But concering the demographics one that you mention, I hope that it is a temporary perception only, one that can be overcome if those unhappy actually give it a chance. If the demographics are truly are an insolvable issue for some, sorry, we the broad people of 204 cannot help you much with such unhappiness. There are other alternatives for them (and there are people all across the country who make similar choices, for similar reasons.) Please know, I understand any change or different enviroment has levels of uncertainty and anxiety to people. I can see how a swap from NV to WV could be seen as a change in environment. But what about these changes in enviroment: -30% smaller school -Admin not wasting time juggling space but delivering curriculum and addressing student needs better -freshman cohesively tied to the main school, not seen by students a "another year of middle school" -and more I am sure.... Truly, I urge you and your family and others to see for themselves what WV is like. Do not jump to irrational conclusions. Do not allow whispers and inneundos to stir you up. Dont let other people think for you. WV has in the past been a great place for learning. And it will be in 2009 and beyond.
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Post by asmodeus on Sept 29, 2008 12:39:33 GMT -5
Okay, can we agree that something like this was/is more likely to happen at WV? If we cannot agree on that, we are simply not going to agree on much of anything.
What are you talking about?
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Post by asmodeus on Sept 29, 2008 12:51:36 GMT -5
Yes, there are many demographics comprising society. And in an ideal word we would all get along with no violence. But if you think about it, many (most?) of us moved to this area to avoid some of the issues that are more common in other areas. If I decide to move from the ghetto (where I grew up, by the way) does that make me a racist? Should I simply accept and even cherish the "diversity" of the slums?
You are basically asking people to broaden their horizons, yet the reality is that one of the reasons people move to this area is to essentially limit them.
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