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Post by drdavelasik on Mar 19, 2009 11:57:39 GMT -5
When I say please explain, I am saying what is it that he feels is poor about the quality of students? Just wondering. I think you understand, water under the bridge and old news. I would rather not go down the road of discussing old prejudices that were painted over entire areas wrongly. I only mentioned it as a reference to linking that man's disturbing view with everyone else in the room and ultimately the candidates. That would be wrong, wouldn't it? Moving on then. I asked because seems that blanket statements are made about so many candidates and yet when we inquire for specifics comments are taken way out of proportion. I was not there so will just ignore the post completely.
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Arwen
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Post by Arwen on Mar 19, 2009 18:37:14 GMT -5
The emails are concerning (seems to be just a few hysterical folks). What I dont like is the deliberate trashing of candidates ESPECIALLY using untruths and/or unfounded statements. I have seen this in the emails and on the boards. If you want to support the 4 candidates you have chosen by sending emails to your friends and family or posting blogs; that great!! Better to list reasons why you are supporting who you are supporting. What I do think is fair game; is if your campaign staff sends out an email. The candidate is responsible for their campaign (even if the actual email did not come directly from the candidate). Whats the saying? The captain is ultimately responsible for the actions of his/her crew? I agree with you. I think posting half the story (the incorrect/misleading email without also posting the emails correcting/clarifying the errors) is just as big a smear though and reflects just as poorly on those doing the posting.
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macy
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Post by macy on Mar 19, 2009 23:23:14 GMT -5
I don't understand what you are saying here. Sorry I wasn't too clear. I am tired of hearing people attribute emails from supporters as what the candidate stands for. I don't care for Crockett but he attended the meeting last night at WE. Does that mean the slate stands for everything Crockett does? Of course not. There was also a gentleman who was rather blunt about Waubonsie and what he thought of the students there, one of those old misperceptions. Again, apparently a supporter of the slate but I don't hold them responsible for the ignorance of one of their supporters. I wasn't there but I did hear about some fool that made a rather ignorant comment about what he thought of the demographic difference (was that the word used Gatormom?) of the students at Waubonsie vs. Neuqua. I have no idea what the guy was trying to say or his intentions but, it sounds to me like a really offensive statement/question. If he was (again I wasn't there) trying to imply that there is any negative demographic difference between the kids at Neuqua and Waubonsie, he is a complete moron/idiot. However, this type of trash talk occurs against kids that attend Neuqua. I've seen Neuqua kids called selfish monsters, evil little monsters, spoiled brats, etc. I'm sick of this type of talk. ETA: There will always be idiots. We need to stop being distracted by the few stupid people. We all live in the same district.
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Post by warriorpride on Mar 19, 2009 23:40:21 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't too clear. I am tired of hearing people attribute emails from supporters as what the candidate stands for. I don't care for Crockett but he attended the meeting last night at WE. Does that mean the slate stands for everything Crockett does? Of course not. There was also a gentleman who was rather blunt about Waubonsie and what he thought of the students there, one of those old misperceptions. Again, apparently a supporter of the slate but I don't hold them responsible for the ignorance of one of their supporters. I wasn't there but I did hear about some fool that made a rather ignorant comment about what he thought of the demographic difference (was that the word used Gatormom?) of the students at Waubonsie vs. Neuqua. I have no idea what the guy was trying to say or his intentions but, it sounds to me like a really offensive statement/question. If he was (again I wasn't there) trying to imply that there is any negative demographic difference between the kids at Neuqua and Waubonsie, he is a complete moron/idiot. However, this type of trash talk occurs against kids that attend Neuqua. I've seen Neuqua kids called selfish monsters, evil little monsters, spoiled brats, etc. I'm sick of this type of talk. me too - why's you bring it up? and why playing NV as the opressed here?
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macy
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Post by macy on Mar 19, 2009 23:50:41 GMT -5
I wasn't there but I did hear about some fool that made a rather ignorant comment about what he thought of the demographic difference (was that the word used Gatormom?) of the students at Waubonsie vs. Neuqua. I have no idea what the guy was trying to say or his intentions but, it sounds to me like a really offensive statement/question. If he was (again I wasn't there) trying to imply that there is any negative demographic difference between the kids at Neuqua and Waubonsie, he is a complete moron/idiot. However, this type of trash talk occurs against kids that attend Neuqua. I've seen Neuqua kids called selfish monsters, evil little monsters, spoiled brats, etc. I'm sick of this type of talk. me too - why's you bring it up? and why playing NV as the opressed here? I bring it up only because it was a comment of discussion here today and on blue. It continues to be discussed. North vs. South, candidate from here, there, etc. I'm not AT ALL playing NV as the oppressed. I was just pointing out the mudslinging insults regarding kids (regardless of where they go to high school in 204) are disgusting to me and that they come from many different places. I blame the SB for this division. I just posted something on blue regarding that. I will copy paste here when I can figure out the appropriate thread to put it in. I blame some on the SB for this nonsense. WP, I don't mean to offend you at all. Just posting honest thoughts.
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Post by warriorpride on Mar 20, 2009 6:43:56 GMT -5
me too - why's you bring it up? and why playing NV as the opressed here? I bring it up only because it was a comment of discussion here today and on blue. It continues to be discussed. North vs. South, candidate from here, there, etc. I'm not AT ALL playing NV as the oppressed. I was just pointing out the mudslinging insults regarding kids (regardless of where they go to high school in 204) are disgusting to me and that they come from many different places. I blame the SB for this division. I just posted something on blue regarding that. I will copy paste here when I can figure out the appropriate thread to put it in. I blame some on the SB for this nonsense. WP, I don't mean to offend you at all. Just posting honest thoughts. the SB? how about blaming parents and kids? mostly parents (kids mostly pick it up from their parents)
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we4
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Post by we4 on Mar 20, 2009 6:53:40 GMT -5
I bring it up only because it was a comment of discussion here today and on blue. It continues to be discussed. North vs. South, candidate from here, there, etc. I'm not AT ALL playing NV as the oppressed. I was just pointing out the mudslinging insults regarding kids (regardless of where they go to high school in 204) are disgusting to me and that they come from many different places. I blame the SB for this division. I just posted something on blue regarding that. I will copy paste here when I can figure out the appropriate thread to put it in. I blame some on the SB for this nonsense. WP, I don't mean to offend you at all. Just posting honest thoughts. the SB? how about blaming parents and kids? mostly parents (kids mostly pick it up from their parents) I hope you are not saying that the SB should not take any responsibility for our divided school district. Yes, parents did not help, but the school board was nice enough to coin a few terms about areas of our district and high schools. Once again, they are elected officials and are held to higher standards, like it or not.
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Post by gatormom on Mar 20, 2009 7:14:52 GMT -5
I wasn't there but I did hear about some fool that made a rather ignorant comment about what he thought of the demographic difference (was that the word used Gatormom?) of the students at Waubonsie vs. Neuqua. I have no idea what the guy was trying to say or his intentions but, it sounds to me like a really offensive statement/question. If he was (again I wasn't there) trying to imply that there is any negative demographic difference between the kids at Neuqua and Waubonsie, he is a complete moron/idiot. However, this type of trash talk occurs against kids that attend Neuqua. I've seen Neuqua kids called selfish monsters, evil little monsters, spoiled brats, etc. I'm sick of this type of talk. ETA: There will always be idiots. We need to stop being distracted by the few stupid people. We all live in the same district. Yes those were the words. I did not bring this up as a main point but rather to explain my position, stop blaming the candidates for ignorant supporters. This was not to re-open who is to blame. By the way, anyone who doesn't think we all should take some share of the blame in this divide in our district is not being honest with themselves. There is plenty to go around, SB, admin, and all areas. Just my humble opinion. I was offended by the words of that gentleman but did not blame anyone else in the room for his words. I am asking for the same consideration for all the candidates.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 20, 2009 7:17:47 GMT -5
But there is a difference. Some would like to pretend there is not. The problem is when people try to force changes because they don't want to go to a certain school due to the demographics. But to deny the socioeconomic differences is to be ignorant of the facts.
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Post by warriorpride on Mar 20, 2009 7:27:10 GMT -5
the SB? how about blaming parents and kids? mostly parents (kids mostly pick it up from their parents) I hope you are not saying that the SB should not take any responsibility for our divided school district. Yes, parents did not help, but the school board was nice enough to coin a few terms about areas of our district and high schools. Once again, they are elected officials and are held to higher standards, like it or not. everyone's to blame - plenty of parents have built it up to where it is over many years - Fall 09 will hopefully be a fresh start for the HSs and MSs
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Post by momto4 on Mar 20, 2009 7:28:31 GMT -5
But there is a difference. Some would like to pretend there is not. The problem is when people try to force changes because they don't want to go to a certain school due to the demographics. But to deny the socioeconomic differences is to be ignorant of the facts. Yes, there is a difference. But what does this mean to the average student? Probably not much. Here are some of the numbers. Parent-reported ethnicity NVHS 72.8% white, 6.5% black, 4.2% Hispanic, 14% Asian, 2.4% multi-racial WVHS 61.6% white, 10.5% black, 6.7% Hispanic, 12% Asian, 2.5% multi-racial Free and reduced lunch eligible NVHS 1.9% WVHS 8.8% Students eligible for ELL NVHS .6% WVHS 2.6% Mobility NVHS 4.4% WVHS 7.8% Attendance NVHS 93.8% WVHS 91.2% Yes, some of these differences contribute to a difference in average test scores between the buildings but the only significance for an individual student is the education and opportunities that they get and the test score that student gets. WV is extremely competitive academically as seen by what GPA is needed to be in the top 10% of the class (around 4.0 I believe).
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 20, 2009 7:39:19 GMT -5
I mostly agree with this statement, though I don't believe the individual student is in a vacuum -- the makeup of his classmates will have certain effects on his learning experience, both positive and negative.
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Post by momto4 on Mar 20, 2009 8:11:43 GMT -5
I mostly agree with this statement, though I don't believe the individual student is in a vacuum -- the makeup of his classmates will have certain effects on his learning experience, both positive and negative. I think we're somewhat in agreement here. If the numbers were vastly different, such as you might find in an inner-city school, of course that would make a difference. But when you are talking about fairly small differences (possibly made smaller still by the boundary changes?) and the schools have similar student bodies and the same course offerings and similar student accolades, I don't think you have to worry more about negative impacts from classmates at one school more than the other.
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fasttimes
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Post by fasttimes on Mar 20, 2009 17:26:27 GMT -5
Amazing how this one email goes out with someone's views of the 4 candidates they are voting for, and people automatically assume he/she is making up some new slate and encouraging everyone to vote for these four. I see this e-mail as "this is who I am voting for, but everyone needs to get out and vote." Then assumptions get made that some of the candidates have ties to MM because they happen to be mentioned along with CP. In the pro-MM vs. anti-MM campaign wars (which this seems to have turned into) the pro-MM side only has to get 1 vote in to continue the status quo. The anti-MM group has to get in 4 votes. This is where I see desperation from this anti-MM side. I am not surprised to see the bad-mouthing of MR and DDS. They are two very strong independent candidates IMO. The pro-MM group could care a less about who else gets in as long as CP or SR gets in as they have verbally shown support for MM. The DDS and MR probably don't matter as much to them and they are probably tacked on as the lesser of all evils, even though they have stated they have been opposed to MM's actions. Frankly, I see DDS as the most independent of any of the candidates. Given her background in journalism, I think she would listen to both sides and vote according to her mind. I think it's a shame that the slate of 4 chose to run as a slate as I think they will lose some votes that way. Some will be too afraid to vote for any of them because they smell 'agenda'. This is too bad. While not all of them are God's gift to the school board, some of them do have potential. I hope they are not held back because they chose to run this way. I'm hoping most people just hit delete when emails come their way and make up their own minds about who is best for this district. Great way to look at it We3. That is how I viewed it as well (and posted as such on the blue). However, the veracity and quantity (think i have seen 3 now with similar undertones..but none as strong at the above email) of this stuff is very concerning. Maybe I am overly sensitive to it as I live inthe much maligned (wrongly so IMO) subdivision that starts with a T and ends with an S. ANYTIME I see stuff like this, I bristle with anger once again.
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Post by gatordog on Mar 20, 2009 17:49:27 GMT -5
..... Maybe I am overly sensitive to it as I live inthe much maligned (wrongly so IMO) subdivision that starts with a T and ends with an S. ANYTIME I see stuff like this, I bristle with anger once again. Before you know it, fasttimes, the senders of the email will be breaking out into song: Trouble, oh we got trouble, Right here in River City! With a capital "T" That rhymes with "P" And that stands for Pool T--- G---, We've surely got trouble! Right here in River City, Right here! I am just trying to ignore these ridiculous emails. OK, if they start using showtunes, I will not ignore them, but then I will find better reason to laugh them off ;D
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