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Post by momto4 on May 15, 2009 10:58:12 GMT -5
By the way, this private school backlash has been taken to absurd levels recently, with some parents complaining that students who attend private school from K-8 should not be allowed to attend public schools for HS. I will try to find the story, but I believe a magnet HS in Chicago was seeing an increase in private school graduates enrolling (possibly due to the economy), and the kids who had attended public school were getting rejected at a higher rate than usual. The parents argued that the private school kids shouldn't be able to compete for spots over the public school kids. That's crazy! |
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Post by gatormom on May 15, 2009 11:11:59 GMT -5
Because I have yet to see a plausible argument for treating the two situations differently. I will repeat what I stated earlier. The home-schooled children I know are enrolled at their local schools for PE, music, and other courses they cannot do at home. They are students in the school and thus should be allowed to participate in extra-curriculars. There is a huge difference between being a student if only part-time and attending another school altogether. |
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Post by asmodeus on May 15, 2009 11:24:45 GMT -5
That's fine...if your criterion for participating in ECs is that the student also attend some regular classes, at least that can be consistently applied. But I'm curious...are the PE and other courses you mention mandated by law? I know nothing about home schooling, but I could see the state wanting to make sure kids are exposed to a minimum of certain activities even if their parents are awesome at teaching reading and math at home.
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Post by gatordog on May 15, 2009 11:33:15 GMT -5
That's fine...if your criterion for participating in ECs is that the student also attend some regular classes, at least that can be consistently applied. Considering the sports aspect only..... the IHSA requirements for home-schoolers see it the way gatormom does: From my earlier post of home-schooler eligibility from ihsa.org: "Under the provisions of this by-law, any student, including one who is home schooled, must meet four specific requirements to be eligible for interscholastic participation: 1. The student must be enrolled at the member high school;" the bold, underlined emphasis is ihsa. not me. you can see that for yourself at www.ihsa.org/forms/current/Home%20School%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf |
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Post by asmodeus on May 15, 2009 11:37:19 GMT -5
That's fine...if your criterion for participating in ECs is that the student also attend some regular classes, at least that can be consistently applied. Considering the sports aspect only..... the IHSA requirements for home-schoolers see it the way gatormom does: From my earlier post of home-schooler eligibility from ihsa.org: "Under the provisions of this by-law, any student, including one who is home schooled, must meet four specific requirements to be eligible for interscholastic participation: 1. The student must be enrolled at the member high school;" the bold, underlined emphasis is ihsa. not me. you can see that for yourself at www.ihsa.org/forms/current/Home%20School%20Fact%20Sheet.pdfSo I take it a home schooled child can enroll in a public HS, but a private one can't? And that Batavia will have to have the law changed if they are to move forward with their proposal? |
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Post by gatordog on May 15, 2009 11:43:50 GMT -5
...... Let's say two kids each love baseball and would really like to play for their local public school team. One is home schooled, and the other goes to a private school that offers basketball but not baseball. What I am hearing is that you would allow the home schooled kid to play, but tell the private school student to forget baseball and take up basketball instead. Short answer: at a minimum, the private school student would have to meet the same requirments of ihsa eligiblity that a home schooled student does. By the way, in the real world, no way does the private school student have to "forget baseball". He has ample private opportunites to participate in that sport. Around here, many opportunities. From the recreational-to- very competive spectrum. |
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Post by gatordog on May 15, 2009 11:46:43 GMT -5
So I take it a home schooled child can enroll in a public HS, but a private one can't? And that Batavia will have to have the law changed if they are to move forward with their proposal? What law are you referring to? Do you mean IHSA Eligiblity Regulation? |
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Post by gatormom on May 15, 2009 11:48:31 GMT -5
So I take it a home schooled child can enroll in a public HS, but a private one can't? And that Batavia will have to have the law changed if they are to move forward with their proposal? What law are you referring to? Do you mean IHSA Eligiblity Regulation? I think Batavia is addressing MS and below. Their high school teams would become ineglible to play in IHSA sports and academic teams if they included students not enrolled in the school itself. IHSA is very rigid with their regulations. I think this pertains mostly to MS and below. I don't know of any private HSs that do not have extra-curriculars including sports and the fine arts as well as clubs in our area. |
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Post by gatordog on May 15, 2009 11:53:45 GMT -5
I am assuming the scope of this discussion is when a private school does not field a team in a students sports.
The Batavia/Rotolo MS example doesnt explicity say that, but I think we all are assuming thats the case.
For example, we all agree this should not be allowed:
a student goes to a private school that has a soccer team. But maybe its not the strongest team. Instead, they want to go to that private school, but then play for the NV or WV soccer team (a stronger team, state championship contender). Based on their public school attendance area.
We agree that is not allowed? (I am not an IHSA rules lawyer...but i bet this would not be allowed by them in any circumstance.)
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Post by asmodeus on May 15, 2009 11:56:37 GMT -5
Substitute home for private and tell me if it changes anything.
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Post by gatordog on May 15, 2009 11:58:09 GMT -5
I think Batavia is addressing MS and below. yes, MS level. I think its reasonable, though, for a SD to make an extrapolation of IHSA requirement for these younger students ability to participate or not. |
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Post by asmodeus on May 15, 2009 11:59:47 GMT -5
I have been going with that assumption, yes. (Though I can certainly see someone arguing the point that it shouldn't matter.) It would be even more ridiculous if the student tried to play on both teams.
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Post by gatormom on May 15, 2009 12:03:47 GMT -5
Substitute home for private and tell me if it changes anything. Asmo, the district cannot refuse enrollment into the school of any student, whether it be part time or full time. It doesn't matter if there are laws on the books about taking PE and the music classes, the district cannot refuse to enroll them. That said, they are students and elgible for ECs. Private school students are not enrolled in the school, thus not elgible to participate in ECs. How is this any different than any number of differences between the ECs offered at our various MSs and ES? Granger has a kick-a$$ percussion ensemble, EC, and Still MS does not. So why can't my child participate? Because she doesn't attend that school. |
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Post by asmodeus on May 15, 2009 12:09:57 GMT -5
See my post immediately above. I am inclined not to grant exceptions for kids who simply want to be on a better team, club, etc.
All I'm saying is that a private school student should enjoy the same benefits (and be subjected to the same limitations) as a home schooled student with respect to partaking in public school activities.
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Post by gatordog on May 15, 2009 12:10:30 GMT -5
Substitute home for private and tell me if it changes anything. no, nothing changes. Furthermore, I would be willing to consider the IHSA rules substituing home school for private.... But that gets kind of farfetched in a hurry. For example, a student goes to Wheaton Academy, but takes PE classes at NV to be eligilbe for a sport at NV? Even though PE is part of the Wheaton Academy curriculum. Does Wheaton Academey accept that as graduation requirements? IHSA is clearly (in my mind) allowing for athletic participation of some non traditional students. But there is on basic premise: they are at least enrolled at the school and using the school to progress towards graduation. (plenty of college sports teams have tried for decades to get around that little "minor detail"  ) |
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