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Post by doctorwho on Jun 6, 2008 10:20:27 GMT -5
Again, it is the time differential more than the mileage - < 10 minutes to at least 25 minutes in rush hour for parents - I don't believe you would have faced the same differential ( I may be wrong) - not having to navigate crossing the Rt 59 corridor at that time until you were already at the school. BTW - I would have viewed that as wrong for your area - to pass WVHS. also it was never the scenic drive school - that would have been NV ( which is our closest school ) If you've ever had the pleasure of being in PM rush hour traffic (which starts aroun 4PM) on southbound Eola, you'd know that driving to BB in the PM would not be a walk in the park. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on which hypothetical scenarios as comparable to Watts situation. I don't think it matters if I have 100 schools within a 3 mile radius that I drive by - adding 2 miles to my WV commute to go to to BB seems comparable to me. I also find it hard to believe that the MW area will give less parental support because of the distance. Perhaps you have evidence to the contrary, but parents are either going to be involved, or they aren't. I dont' see many parents saying "Susie, I'd love to see your game/concert today, but those extra 20 minutes are holding me back". Plenty of parents drive to away games with unplesant commutes such as Lake Park, Streamwood, and Elgin (why all those schools are in the conference with 204 schools is beyond me - there are plenty schools that are closer) - those are much farther than 6 or 7 miles. And I'm going to make the assumption that many people either take the train to work (the rt 59 train station is minutes from WV), or work north of, say, 75th st. To me, that means they can go to MV straight from work. I don't mean to trivialize this for everyone, but I bet it covers a decent percentage. Thanks for the insight on the drive - I have been in Southbound Eola on my 'test drives' so I should have known better.You have far more experience making that trip from there to WVHS than I have- again it would have been wrong for your area. Here would be the example on parental involvemnt, and I discussed this with 2 other very active MW parents - PTSA and Athletics ( both posters) - a lot of the activities start at 4:30 - especially for the freshman- soh sports. In order to volunteer you have to be there and set up before that. Working until 4 - we can still run to WVHS in under 10 mins. I did this many times to work concessions in my 4 years there - usually working concessions for the early games so I could watch my kid in the later games. That would be an issue. For parents that work to 4:30 - likely they will miss the fresh-soph games whereas they usually could see at least 1. Most of the people I know work somewhat locally or from home ( I know there are still those who work downtown) - Also gone will be quick trips home to pick up others in between games, when they get off work etc.- or out of practice - as 20 min round trips become 50 + Will this end involvement - no. WIll it hinder it for many- yes. these examples based on my past experience - no one scenario fits everyone.- agreed.
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 6, 2008 10:31:52 GMT -5
If you've ever had the pleasure of being in PM rush hour traffic (which starts aroun 4PM) on southbound Eola, you'd know that driving to BB in the PM would not be a walk in the park. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on which hypothetical scenarios as comparable to Watts situation. I don't think it matters if I have 100 schools within a 3 mile radius that I drive by - adding 2 miles to my WV commute to go to to BB seems comparable to me. I also find it hard to believe that the MW area will give less parental support because of the distance. Perhaps you have evidence to the contrary, but parents are either going to be involved, or they aren't. I dont' see many parents saying "Susie, I'd love to see your game/concert today, but those extra 20 minutes are holding me back". Plenty of parents drive to away games with unplesant commutes such as Lake Park, Streamwood, and Elgin (why all those schools are in the conference with 204 schools is beyond me - there are plenty schools that are closer) - those are much farther than 6 or 7 miles. And I'm going to make the assumption that many people either take the train to work (the rt 59 train station is minutes from WV), or work north of, say, 75th st. To me, that means they can go to MV straight from work. I don't mean to trivialize this for everyone, but I bet it covers a decent percentage. Thanks for the insight on the drive - I have been in Southbound Eola on my 'test drives' so I should have known better.You have far more experience making that trip from there to WVHS than I have- again it would have been wrong for your area. Here would be the example on parental involvemnt, and I discussed this with 2 other very active MW parents - PTSA and Athletics ( both posters) - a lot of the activities start at 4:30 - especially for the freshman- soh sports. In order to volunteer you have to be there and set up before that. Working until 4 - we can still run to WVHS in under 10 mins. I did this many times to work concessions in my 4 years there - usually working concessions for the early games so I could watch my kid in the later games. That would be an issue. For parents that work to 4:30 - likely they will miss the fresh-soph games whereas they usually could see at least 1. Most of the people I know work somewhat locally or from home ( I know there are still those who work downtown) - Also gone will be quick trips home to pick up others in between games, when they get off work etc.- or out of practice - as 20 min round trips become 50 + Will this end involvement - no. WIll it hinder it for many- yes. these examples based on my past experience - no one scenario fits everyone.- agreed. maybe I'm the only one lucky enough to be able to have flexible hours so that I can support my kids in their after school activities
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Post by Arch on Jun 6, 2008 10:38:58 GMT -5
WP, I appreciate everyone's acknowledgment about the situation. You do, however, make it sound like you only want to read what you wish to read on here and anyone posting to the contrary of the 'happy feeling' might get banned?!?!?! Moving on involves future plans to make things better. Sorry if the squeaky wheel makes it obvious from the get-go where things can be made better in that future. I fail to see where you think I am angry at you for the situation. You're not on the SB nor part of the administration so I really don't understand why you'd personally take that feeling upon yourself. Out of curiosity, if your area got assigned to NV instead of MV a stone's throw away would you be donning the smile and shutting up about it? Would you be singing the happy tune of how great it is for the district that you have that assignment? I won't even bring up my continued concern I have about my kids being in an area with my favorite pieces of metal. Those risks being mitigated further would help take the edge off my uneasiness w/ being assigned there. I just have the feeling in the back of my mind that some years down the road this decision will be looked back upon as a "what the he** were they thinking?" and I hope to God I'm wrong about that. I respect everyones right to express their opinion - just not the same one a 1000 times. If you have something new, I will be happy to listen. Your "truth" may be true for you, not for everyone - repeating it over and over doesn't add anything to a discussion or increase its validity in anyone's eyes. Continuously repeating what you have been saying for months, in each and every thread, whether or not it is relavent to the topic at hand, making every topic deviate from its origin, is not a productive or respectful way to present a viewpoint. At some point, all that does is to get people to tune out at best, and get irritated at worst. I am definitely irritated, not by what you say, but how you say it. And don't patronize me and the rest of this board by saying all we care about is a happy feeling - that is crude and insulting. I did not expect you of all people to stoop to this kind of trash. All of us here are intelligent people, not sheep. Sorry to be blunt, but I got to call it like I see it. And I won't be saying this a 1000 times. Cheers. You forgot to quote the part about WP telling me that spewing negativity might get me banned. The post was to him (I even started off my post with 'WP'). You're not a 'mod' from what I can tell, so the banning of people who post what a mod doesn't want to read is irrelevant to you. If you want to read into that and think it was directed at you and thus take offense, that's your prerogative. I would have expected better interpretive skills based on your previous postings.
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Post by Arch on Jun 6, 2008 10:42:20 GMT -5
At one point in the past, I had tried to take what the District said at face value with regards to hazards and unfortunately with some methodical digging to double check that information found out that what they put forth to the public turned out to be false. So, forgive me if I don't fully place my trust in them for my child's safety any longer. So you have two choices, move or do something about it. What can be done? That depends on whether they take the suggestions to heart and act on them or grant a reassignment.
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Post by gatormom on Jun 6, 2008 10:43:16 GMT -5
So you have two choices, move or do something about it. What can be done? That depends on whether they take the suggestions to heart and act on them or grant a reassignment. So you chose to do nothing except write emails and complain on message boards.
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Post by player on Jun 6, 2008 10:45:05 GMT -5
I respect everyones right to express their opinion - just not the same one a 1000 times. If you have something new, I will be happy to listen. Your "truth" may be true for you, not for everyone - repeating it over and over doesn't add anything to a discussion or increase its validity in anyone's eyes. Continuously repeating what you have been saying for months, in each and every thread, whether or not it is relavent to the topic at hand, making every topic deviate from its origin, is not a productive or respectful way to present a viewpoint. At some point, all that does is to get people to tune out at best, and get irritated at worst. I am definitely irritated, not by what you say, but how you say it. And don't patronize me and the rest of this board by saying all we care about is a happy feeling - that is crude and insulting. I did not expect you of all people to stoop to this kind of trash. All of us here are intelligent people, not sheep. Sorry to be blunt, but I got to call it like I see it. And I won't be saying this a 1000 times. Cheers. You forgot to quote the part about WP telling me that spewing negativity might get me banned. The post was to him (I even started off my post with 'WP'). You're not a 'mod' from what I can tell, so the banning of people who post what a mod doesn't want to read is irrelevant to you. If you want to read into that and think it was directed at you and thus take offense, that's your prerogative. I would have expected better interpretive skills based on your previous postings. I get to read all your posts, whether I am a mod or not. If you want to have a private communication with a mod or anyone else, use PM - thats what it was designed for. If you post, it is for public consumption so don't be surprised if it is interpreted that way. Cheers.
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Post by Arch on Jun 6, 2008 10:45:40 GMT -5
That depends on whether they take the suggestions to heart and act on them or grant a reassignment. So you chose to do nothing except write emails and complain on message boards. My work was done a couple of months ago.
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Post by Arch on Jun 6, 2008 10:47:28 GMT -5
You forgot to quote the part about WP telling me that spewing negativity might get me banned. The post was to him (I even started off my post with 'WP'). You're not a 'mod' from what I can tell, so the banning of people who post what a mod doesn't want to read is irrelevant to you. If you want to read into that and think it was directed at you and thus take offense, that's your prerogative. I would have expected better interpretive skills based on your previous postings. I get to read all your posts, whether I am a mod or not. If you want to have a private communication with a mod or anyone else, use PM - thats what it was designed for. If you post, it is for public consumption so don't be surprised if it is interpreted that way. Cheers. Thank you for substantiating the bolded section.
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Post by momto4 on Jun 6, 2008 10:52:54 GMT -5
Believe me, I'm actually HAPPY for the northern locations that will now have a closer school for them. I would feel bad if Gingerwoods was sent to NV with MV being where it's going to be built. That would be just plain dumb, as would sending them to the 2nd closest school (WV) and driving right by the first closest. I doubt very seriously that with MV at Eola that if the above assignments sent the closer areas elsewhere, like to the south part of Naperville for HS, that everyone would be singing the same tune they are today. I don't believe I criticized the neighborhoods for enjoying the convenience either like you imply. I specifically referenced the inconvenience it is for other areas. Thank you. But it's really not comparable. Look at the mileage from Ginger Woods to NV. It would make MW's commute to MV look pretty nice.
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Post by sushi on Jun 6, 2008 10:57:29 GMT -5
Geez, the fence is a great idea - glad the neighbors are happy
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Post by gatormom on Jun 6, 2008 10:58:55 GMT -5
Geez, the fence is a great idea - glad the neighbors are happy OMG, that was on topic. ;D
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Post by momto4 on Jun 6, 2008 11:01:16 GMT -5
It really is good to hear that the district and construction company were able to work with the city and residents to alleviate all of their concerns about being neighbors with the school.
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Post by Arch on Jun 6, 2008 11:03:09 GMT -5
Believe me, I'm actually HAPPY for the northern locations that will now have a closer school for them. I would feel bad if Gingerwoods was sent to NV with MV being where it's going to be built. That would be just plain dumb, as would sending them to the 2nd closest school (WV) and driving right by the first closest. I doubt very seriously that with MV at Eola that if the above assignments sent the closer areas elsewhere, like to the south part of Naperville for HS, that everyone would be singing the same tune they are today. I don't believe I criticized the neighborhoods for enjoying the convenience either like you imply. I specifically referenced the inconvenience it is for other areas. Thank you. But it's really not comparable. Look at the mileage from Ginger Woods to NV. It would make MW's commute to MV look pretty nice. It's not exact, but it's the same principle. Had I used sending them to BB as the example then it would have been lopsided the other direction by being possiblly a mile short and they would have ended up at the 2nd closest school, not the 3rd. So, I chose to use 3rd/3rd in what I put forth. I admit, my miles may be off, but take Brooks/Young and send them to NV, and you have a similar condition.
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Post by Arch on Jun 6, 2008 11:05:02 GMT -5
It really is good to hear that the district and construction company were able to work with the city and residents to alleviate all of their concerns about being neighbors with the school. I agree, having grown up in an area that seemed to be continuously under construction for over a decade *anything* that can be done to help alleviate the noise or provide some sort of buffering is a good thing.
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Post by eb204 on Jun 6, 2008 11:17:54 GMT -5
"Everyone is thrilled where it's being positioned in my ward," she said. "For them, this is a convenience that they're looking forward to enjoying." ------ Unfortunately, it's also very inconvenient for certain attendance areas. What WP and other are trying to convey to you is the same things I said to Doc yesterday. WE GET IT. You don't like your area's assignment. Arch, seriously, you have taken comment after comment and added your own "digs" to it. It seems you just can't leave a compliment as a compliment, especially if it involves the SD/SB. We all understand your right to an opinion and even the hurt feelings that go with your area's attendance assignment. But my goodness, Arch, your comment was only the third post and it was negative. You picked up on Lynda Elmore's comment about being a convenience to them despite all the other comments in the article. It seems this is the one where you could get the most "dig" for your dollar and you took it very early on. Do you not understand now why this is upsetting. This board is not all about "happy, shiny, people" and only saying what we like about the district and SB. It is about solutions. And not every problem will have or can have a solution that you or every other resident of D204 will like. Others have dealt with it. These Cambridge Chase residents are a great example of that. I've heard that there was a lot of pushback from them and then when the flooding happening, they were really ticked. But instead of the constant complaining or criticizing of the district, they developed a productive way of discussing possible solutions. You say that the district no longer will communicate with you or answer your emails, etc. Have you ever thought to ask yourself why? If someone was continually knocking on my door with negativity, I'd stop opening the door. That's not to say that I only want to hear positives, but that there is a different way to approach this. IMO, you've probably shut a few doors with they way you've chosen to respond to the situation. I don't know what methods you've tried, so I don't want to make a blanket statement with that, but if your posts are in any way indicative of how you've communicated with the district and SB, then I can't blame them for shutting the door. I honestly don't know what it is that you expect over here. I know you have quite a following on blue and you are preaching to the choir over there. If your expectation is to do the same over here, then this is not going to be a positive experience for you and likely frustrate you even more. I know from recent experiences that that is simply not healthy. My advise is to take a break, possibly even from both boards, for a while. However, if you continue to come here with the constant (and yes, it pretty much is 24x7x365 as WP put it) negativity or sarcastic compliments, then expect to get some pushback here. I have to say ( and I really don't mean to offend) but the tone of this board has changed since some members of the blue board have joined. Please understand and hear me when I say this : YOU ARE WELCOME. But this board place is a board for "all things 204". So expect some positives over here. From what I've seen on the blue board over the last several months, it was a forum to bash the SB/SD. I didn't see much productivity from the posts. It became a slam fest for anything the district did. I recently went back and read about the 8th grade promotions and while this type of stuff is handled locally through the individual schools, PTA's, etc. somehow the SB/SD was blamed for that. Yes, blamed. I rarely hear anything postive over there, however you do hear some constructive criticism over here. Obviously not as much as you'd like, but it is here. The difference being it is usually constructive criticism, not just pure negativity. Arch, you seem to be an intelligent man. However, your attitude and that of others is bringing this whole board down. Or maybe that's what you want by being over here. If WP ends up creating another board because of it, I'm sure all you'll have left is another "blue" board.
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