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Post by eb204 on Jun 5, 2008 16:05:58 GMT -5
And some of us are being sent to the 7th farthest ES and the 3rd farthest HS and yet are not complaining about either. In the new scheme of things, it would be right if your area would go to a closer ES and a closer MS and WV. I think your area has been screwed over in that regards for too long. Owen West goes to Still so we're all walkers there. Can't get much closer than that.
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 16:23:17 GMT -5
eb204,
with all due respect... there is always room for improvement, regardless of the situation. If the reverse were true, D204 would never build anything, add a new program, shuffle principles around, carve out new areas and send them several elementary schools away (which I still never thought for a minute was ever an 'improvement').
This is a very critical crowd, and that's good. When things get put forth, shoot them down on LOGICAL POINTS not just 'sit down and shut up' mantra.
At some point in the future, the district will be asking all areas for more money. It's going to be the hardest uphill battle they've had yet the next time around, especially given the economy. Having something 'logical' to hang one's hat one as to why one's situation has name negatives against it does better than the sit down and shut up mantra.
The district can also just opt to roll the dice and see what turns up on the cubes too without doing anything to tweak or spread the 'ouch' around a little more evenly. As Popejoy made clear... their call. Many voters are very educated now.
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 5, 2008 16:40:26 GMT -5
I am in agreement, however getting tired of being bashed for having my opinion about the site - the commute and how we got here. And that is not pointing the finger at you. It just seems like right now one can't voice an opinion that is not pro AME-MV site without being called a foc'r ( and worse) - and treated like some kind of pariah. How is that going to heal anything ? I didn't sure the district ( although I understand where some felt they should) - yet get called a supporter , I want a decent commute and some tell me I am just selfish, I want as safe a site as possible ( and am happy MWGEN land not being used) - and get painted as an obstructionist-- really people, I want the same thing most people want, the best situation for their child and their neighborhood If my area - Watts- would have been told - no you aren't going to WVHS ( and for those who think they know my area better than I do after 20 years - you under estimate the tie to that school here emotionally) - and you aren't going to the closest school (NV) - you are being placed at MV - close to the scenic drive location possible from your neighborhood - your commute will suck - however it will ease overcrowding and yeah we'll leave you @ Hill ( the 3rd closest MS to your home) - but you'll all stay together -- and then after meeting with people around here, and listening to those at PTSA meetings, and at block parties etc.- the majority would be OK with that I would have voted with them. I wouldn't have worked for it because the site does not serve me, but would have voted with them. If the majority felt like those I know now- I would have voted with them. That's as honest as I can be. WIth all due respect and much sincerity, it's not your opinon that has me and others "bashing" you. It's that the commute and the how we got here that is being repeated over and over. I've said it before and I'll say it again - We get it. And I truly feel bad that any subdivision, school, neighborhood, or persons had to end up that way. But someone had to. It is what it is. The boundaries are done. The NSFOC lawsuit is done. I don't know why this is really being discussed again. Arch asked why words like piperlines and fartherst had to be replaced. Honestly, people were getting tired of hearing/seeing them. You mentioned in an earlier post that (and I'm paraphrasing here) you would try not to overdo the boundary arguments, but you are. I'm really not trying to start an argument here. I'm being honest and giving you some well intended advise. If you want the "bashing" to stop, then please ease up on the outcries of your commute or the boundaries that put MW where it does. You are not the only one in this district that has commutes that stink. The title of the editorial said it all. We need to pull together and move on. Continuing to be fixated or obsessed with the commute times or boundaries isn't moving on. Others are upset about these things and other like varsity sports. The difference is you don't see them posting over and over about the same things day after day after day. At least I don't. Again, my intent is not to start another argument with you today. But this is how I see it and I'm sure I'm not the only one. You bring to the table many years of experience and passion for the district so I'm asking you to channel that energy into something more productive, either for yourself or for the district. The choice is ultimately yours. not going to get into it either - however the highlighted part above is where we disagree the most. But someone had to.
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 16:57:30 GMT -5
Exactly, Doc...
The only 'someone had to' that should be there are the ones that have no other option like Builta to NV. If that's the longest commute it's because there was nothing else physically to do bout it. *THOSE* are the only ones that should remain.
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Post by steckdad on Jun 6, 2008 0:25:03 GMT -5
But in practice I'll explain why this was very hard to do (and I looked long and hard at this): It is difficult to draw the boundary line without splitting up neighborhoods. You have to understand that. If not, just drive around there a bit and tell me...where do you draw the line?? Tough call! I agree that splitting ES's is not ideal but also not the end of the world. But having an arbitrary line going through a neighborhood.....that should absolutely be avoided in my opinion. That makes me very uncomfortable. I wouldnt want that to happen in my neighborhood. I'm not sure splitting neighborhoods is that big of a problem. Not all communities are made up of named subdivisions, yet they all have school boundaries. Where are the school boundaries for East and West Aurora districts I wonder? Not too many subdivisions, so there must be cases where kids on one side of the street attend a different school than kids on the other side (for ES and MS but not for HS since only one HS per district). the boundary is the fox river....cut and dry.
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Post by momto4 on Jun 6, 2008 6:33:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure splitting neighborhoods is that big of a problem. Not all communities are made up of named subdivisions, yet they all have school boundaries. Where are the school boundaries for East and West Aurora districts I wonder? Not too many subdivisions, so there must be cases where kids on one side of the street attend a different school than kids on the other side (for ES and MS but not for HS since only one HS per district). the boundary is the fox river....cut and dry. Yes, that one is easy. I didn't mean the boundary between one district and the other, I mean the boundaries for their elementary and middle schools. I didn't find school boundaries on either of their websites. West has a feature to put in an address and find out which schools that address is assigned to and whether or not there is bus service for each of the three schools from there.
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