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Post by warriorpride on Jun 5, 2008 13:32:50 GMT -5
i bet some are happy about a shiney, new HS, too So are many who have it in their back yard, and in fact, I would bet dollars to donuts those closer have a higher percentage of their neighborhood who are happy with it than those neighborhoods who have the shiny new HS be the farthest from them. I'll gladly give up the non-splits and the shiny new HS in a heartbeat. Give it to someone closer who will appreciate it more, please. I won't argue with you - and I think that you and DrW have clearly established what your feelings on this are, but I was specifically pointing out what some in MW might view as a positive. We don't seem to have anyone on thie forum from MW that's ok with how things are, but I happen to know some people in MW that are OK with the way things shook out - so I hope that you and Dr can acknowledge that your feelings and opinions are not shared across the entire MW area.
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 13:36:39 GMT -5
So are many who have it in their back yard, and in fact, I would bet dollars to donuts those closer have a higher percentage of their neighborhood who are happy with it than those neighborhoods who have the shiny new HS be the farthest from them. I'll gladly give up the non-splits and the shiny new HS in a heartbeat. Give it to someone closer who will appreciate it more, please. I won't argue with you - and I think that you and DrW have clearly established what your feelings on this are, but I was specifically pointing out what some in MW might view as a positive. We don't seem to have anyone on thie forum from MW that's ok with how things are, but I happen to know some people in MW that are OK with the way things shook out - so I hope that you and Dr can acknowledge that your feelings and opinions are not shared across the entire MW area. Mine are shared with the 42 families each with multiple children that I know from ES and MS contacts. How many do you know that are positive? By contrast, how many from Brooks don't like a shiny new school?
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 5, 2008 13:38:10 GMT -5
No one ever claimed they didn't and again a tip of the hat to those who can do that - but sorry I remember when I wasn't alone in being upset by that vote. The answer to your question is no, I would not have worked that hard for this scenario. I have been very clear in the fact I think too many factors about this site/ location/boundaries/commute time and cost are not what they should be. I you recall I was more than happy to stay at WVHS and not have to open a new HS period - that also has not changed, but because it was closest I was willing to do it. Add that to all else I view as negatives for my area. Would I have voted Yes.... I would give you a firm answer if I knew 100% for sure. I do not, I have other issues with the site that would have told me sooner it was not for me personally. Would that have caused me to vote No overall, I would have wanted to know what the rest of my area felt if they had been told that was the site / commute before they voted. That IS being honest. Place me with the 80% of Brookdale people who did vote, who haven't moved, who weren't those who are tired of being typecast etc etc etc. If tha makes me a bad person, quite frankly I don't care any more. Thanks for your honesty and no, that doesn't make you a bad person any more than those who voted no (for whatever reason) for the referendum are bad people. Honestly, if we can't move beyond what happened in 2006, how are we ever going to move past the things that have happened this year. I am in agreement, however getting tired of being bashed for having my opinion about the site - the commute and how we got here. And that is not pointing the finger at you. It just seems like right now one can't voice an opinion that is not pro AME-MV site without being called a foc'r ( and worse) - and treated like some kind of pariah. How is that going to heal anything ? I didn't sure the district ( although I understand where some felt they should) - yet get called a supporter , I want a decent commute and some tell me I am just selfish, I want as safe a site as possible ( and am happy MWGEN land not being used) - and get painted as an obstructionist-- really people, I want the same thing most people want, the best situation for their child and their neighborhood If my area - Watts- would have been told - no you aren't going to WVHS ( and for those who think they know my area better than I do after 20 years - you under estimate the tie to that school here emotionally) - and you aren't going to the closest school (NV) - you are being placed at MV - close to the furthest location possible from your neighborhood - your commute will suck - however it will ease overcrowding and yeah we'll leave you @ Hill ( the 3rd closest MS to your home) - but you'll all stay together -- and then after meeting with people around here, and listening to those at PTSA meetings, and at block parties etc.- the majority would be OK with that I would have voted with them. I wouldn't have worked for it because the site does not serve me, but would have voted with them. If the majority felt like those I know now- I would have voted with them. That's as honest as I can be.
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 5, 2008 13:41:38 GMT -5
i bet some are happy about a shiney, new HS, too very very few I talk to...not saying they don't exist. Example- How many Watts people on either board want the new HS ? This is not a scientific sample, but it has to have SOME meaning- and many of us here either have been on the Watts PTA or actively involved with those who are. We don't live on the same block or hang with the same people - so I'm finding it interesting that others know our area better than we do. I do not appeaciate you putting words in others mouths. Nobody ever said they they knew your area better than you did, or even implied it.
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 5, 2008 13:46:22 GMT -5
I won't argue with you - and I think that you and DrW have clearly established what your feelings on this are, but I was specifically pointing out what some in MW might view as a positive. We don't seem to have anyone on thie forum from MW that's ok with how things are, but I happen to know some people in MW that are OK with the way things shook out - so I hope that you and Dr can acknowledge that your feelings and opinions are not shared across the entire MW area. Mine are shared with the 42 families each with multiple children that I know from ES and MS contacts. How many do you know that are positive? By contrast, how many from Brooks don't like a shiny new school? I know exactly 1 family happy about it ( and their oldest child is 3 ) - and I haven't counted the number of others ( arch - do you have a list ) - but it is over 25-30 families that range from - I'll go there but I am not happy about this to 2 that have already listed their houses and are moving - both less than a mile away into 203 )- and one more planning to move back to the north side where they came from 5 years ago. they moved here for the schools ( they have 3 children - under 3rd grade) and are frustrated by a lot that has taken place. I can tell you for a fact people in my area who used to see me the last 2 years, encouraging them how to vote and why door to door, face to face remind me often now that they voted for what we got because of my coercing. Other Watts posters on these boards did the same thing. and hear it also. One of them just had their neighbor 'thank' them as they put their house up for sale as school ended ( not in my # above) - So are there a few who are happy- of course - just like any area , however the number of Watts people on both boards , and not a single one happy again is some indicator. It's why I suggested someone fromn the SD-SB come here ( and other areas) and talk to people.
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 5, 2008 13:47:25 GMT -5
I won't argue with you - and I think that you and DrW have clearly established what your feelings on this are, but I was specifically pointing out what some in MW might view as a positive. We don't seem to have anyone on thie forum from MW that's ok with how things are, but I happen to know some people in MW that are OK with the way things shook out - so I hope that you and Dr can acknowledge that your feelings and opinions are not shared across the entire MW area. Mine are shared with the 42 families each with multiple children that I know from ES and MS contacts. How many do you know that are positive? By contrast, how many from Brooks don't like a shiny new school? I know 4 or 5 families in MW and everyone is willing to move on. 3woodgal doesn't seem excited about MV being up here she allegedly lives up hear, but I'll let her speak for herself (I don't know her personally) - and she claimed to know people from several subvidisions up here that were nsfoc supporters.
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 13:47:36 GMT -5
very very few I talk to...not saying they don't exist. Example- How many Watts people on either board want the new HS ? This is not a scientific sample, but it has to have SOME meaning- and many of us here either have been on the Watts PTA or actively involved with those who are. We don't live on the same block or hang with the same people - so I'm finding it interesting that others know our area better than we do. I do not appeaciate you putting words in others mouths. Nobody ever said they they knew your area better than you did, or even implied it. "so I hope that you and Dr can acknowledge that your feelings and opinions are not shared across the entire MW area. " I've asked and I've counted from the families I know. Again, what are your numbers from Watts who like the idea of a shiny new school? And again, how many from Brooks don't like the idea of a shiny new school? Do you think DISTANCE may play a part in that or not? eta: ok, 4-5 that do like the idea, vs at least 42 that don't just from that finger in the wind test.
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Post by gatormom on Jun 5, 2008 13:48:28 GMT -5
I am in agreement, however getting tired of being bashed for having my opinion about the site - the commute and how we got here. And that is not pointing the finger at you. It just seems like right now one can't voice an opinion that is not pro AME-MV site without being called a foc'r ( and worse) - and treated like some kind of pariah. How is that going to heal anything ? I didn't sure the district ( although I understand where some felt they should) - yet get called a supporter , I want a decent commute and some tell me I am just selfish, I want as safe a site as possible ( and am happy MWGEN land not being used) - and get painted as an obstructionist-- really people, I want the same thing most people want, the best situation for their child and their neighborhood I don't think you are getting bashed, people are expressing their opinions which may be in complete opposite of yours. I think most if not all here understand the Watts situation and your own personal situation.
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 5, 2008 13:48:30 GMT -5
very very few I talk to...not saying they don't exist. Example- How many Watts people on either board want the new HS ? This is not a scientific sample, but it has to have SOME meaning- and many of us here either have been on the Watts PTA or actively involved with those who are. We don't live on the same block or hang with the same people - so I'm finding it interesting that others know our area better than we do. I do not appeaciate you putting words in others mouths. Nobody ever said they they knew your area better than you did, or even implied it. I'm sorry, I believe it has been implied that a few of us hardly speak for our area - and we are somehow missing all the good
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 5, 2008 13:48:59 GMT -5
Don't worry, I really don't care how often the "80% Vote No" banner is flashed. In 2006, voter turnout for Brookdale was about ~50%. Many were upset with the Middle School split/island situation, and voted No. So, 80% of those showing up at the poll voted No, but 80% of the neighborhood did not vote No. Will debating two year old voting records help pull the district together? Being honest with ourselves will. What do you mean by that, Arch? What is it exactly that you want or you think is needed to "mend" things?
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Post by momto4 on Jun 5, 2008 13:49:00 GMT -5
So are there a few who are happy- of course - just like any area , however the number of Watts people on both boards , and not a single one happy again is some indicator. It's why I suggested someone fromn the SD-SB come here ( and other areas) and talk to people. I think this could happen. The lawsuit effectively slammed the door on communication for the past few months but now that it seems to be over, I hope we will all see more communication where needed.
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 13:49:52 GMT -5
Being honest with ourselves will. What do you mean by that, Arch? What is it exactly that you want or you think is needed to "mend" things? Watts back in WV does it for me, personally (and many others)
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 5, 2008 13:51:39 GMT -5
I am in agreement, however getting tired of being bashed for having my opinion about the site - the commute and how we got here. And that is not pointing the finger at you. It just seems like right now one can't voice an opinion that is not pro AME-MV site without being called a foc'r ( and worse) - and treated like some kind of pariah. How is that going to heal anything ? I didn't sure the district ( although I understand where some felt they should) - yet get called a supporter , I want a decent commute and some tell me I am just selfish, I want as safe a site as possible ( and am happy MWGEN land not being used) - and get painted as an obstructionist-- really people, I want the same thing most people want, the best situation for their child and their neighborhood I don't think you are getting bashed, people are expressing their opinions which may be in complete opposite of yours. I think most if not all here understand the Watts situation and your own personal situation. I'm sorry, but yesterday I do believe I took some very personal shots - they were not general opinions. I said when I started posting here again I was going to be honest, and I have answered honestly to everything I've been asked. If the answers aren't what some want to hear, I am not sorry for that.
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 5, 2008 13:54:21 GMT -5
I do not appeaciate you putting words in others mouths. Nobody ever said they they knew your area better than you did, or even implied it. I'm sorry, I believe it has been implied that a few of us hardly speak for our area - and we are somehow missing all the good I havent seen that. It seems like may of the posts here are eliciting negative repsonses from you. What is it that you want out of participating on this forum?
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 5, 2008 13:56:16 GMT -5
What do you mean by that, Arch? What is it exactly that you want or you think is needed to "mend" things? Watts back in WV does it for me, personally (and many others) Add me and most others I know to that list. I don't believe I know one other Watts poster on either board ( or others in my area) who wouldn't 'let it go' about MV @ AME at that point. I am sure they are likely people in the south end of the distict who don't believe the site is the right one either, or tht transportation concerns/costs aren't an issue, but since it doesn't affect them, they are not going to be vocal. I'd be exactly the same.
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