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Post by WeNeed3 on Jun 14, 2008 8:27:33 GMT -5
So I hear people are moving on. Does that mean moving on and accepting things or moving on to create another division for our district?
I understand areas are still frustrated. But kids have a year to adapt, order sportswear, take a tour of their new building (WV) or drive by and get excited about their new school (MV) and you people want to rip that stability away from them the summer before they start school?
Well, Janie, first you were supposed to be a Warrior but then someone said you are to be a Mustang but now it looks like someone thought you should be a Warrior again. Well, I know that school starts in a few months. Looks like we are going to have to garage sale all of that black and gold stuff we bought. Oh, and now you are going to be split from all of your junior high friends. Well, before, another group was split from their friends and their daddy didn't like it so he got on the school board and changed things so now we have to travel a bit farther to school and we get split off from our friends.
You know, I have no problem "taking it for the team" and driving further to a school. I just have a problem with that happening a few months before school starts for my child.
Boundaries should be the LAST thing on any SB candidates minds. It's time to move on and focus on the district as a whole and unifying things. The best thing a candidate can do is to get on the board, make MM apologize to the areas that seem to be hurt, and develop a good communication again between the board and the residents, not to stir up more trouble.
Time to put the bandaid on, folks, not jab the knife in deeper.
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Post by concerned on Jun 14, 2008 8:49:33 GMT -5
Re: School board elections - 2009 « Reply #45 Today at 8:27am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I hear people are moving on. Does that mean moving on and accepting things or moving on to create another division for our district? Well, Janie, first you were supposed to be a Warrior but then someone said you are to be a Mustang but now it looks like someone thought you should be a Warrior again. Well, I know that school starts in a few months. Looks like we are going to have to garage sale all of that black and gold stuff we bought. Oh, and now you are going to be split from all of your junior high friends. Well, before, another group was split from their friends and their daddy didn't like it so he got on the school board and changed things so now we have to travel a bit farther to school and we get split off from our friends
That is not what I am suggesting we do, but these boundaries IMO will not last and will have to be tweaked at some point. Enrollment is NOT as high as we thought it would be and this economony is not going to improve for some time. Increased gas prices and foreclosures are 48% higher then they were a year ago.
Also I am so tired of hearing that we should just take one for the team, sit down and shut up and let the SB treat us as they did. All I have to say is NO WAY. The SB had a chance to do this right and they failed yet again. Do not blame this on anyone, but the SB. They put us here, they created this mess. It is not BB's fault, TG, WE, or NSFOC. I voted no in 06 because the SB did not have the land. We watched Plainfield build their HS after their 06 ref. Our SB decided to fight BB, which I knew was an upstream battle. Knew they were not easy to deal with. Now are kids have been sitting in crowded schools and some will NEVER feel relief from this 3rd HS and they have treated certain areas in an unprofessional manner. It will take years to heal this district.
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Post by majorianthrax on Jun 14, 2008 9:05:23 GMT -5
I always wondered about BG. It seems like he underwent a change when Dash took over. When this all started he was jumping around quoting numbers and freely adding to the discussions. When Dash came in he became very subdued and when he did talk, he avoided eye contact with the audiance. He had a look of resignation. I would be willing to bet that he will be one of the first ones to announce he will not run.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Jun 14, 2008 9:10:16 GMT -5
That is not what I am suggesting we do, but these boundaries IMO will not last and will have to be tweaked at some point. Enrollment is NOT as high as we thought it would be and this economony is not going to improve for some time. Increased gas prices and foreclosures are 48% higher then they were a year ago. Also I am so tired of hearing that we should just take one for the team, sit down and shut up and let the SB treat us as they did. All I have to say is NO WAY. The SB had a chance to do this right and they failed yet again. Do not blame this on anyone, but the SB. They put us here, they created this mess. It is not BB's fault, TG, WE, or NSFOC. I voted no in 06 because the SB did not have the land. We watched Plainfield build their HS after their 06 ref. Our SB decided to fight BB, which I knew was an upstream battle. Knew they were not easy to deal with. Now are kids have been sitting in crowded schools and some will NEVER feel relief from this 3rd HS and they have treated certain areas in an unprofessional manner. It will take years to heal this district. I agree, concerned, it will take years to heal the district. And I will be looking for someone who will have ALL of the district's needs in mind come election time. I am not looking for an angry person who is bitter now getting elected to tell another area to "sit down and shut up" either. We desperately need all areas to be treated with respect by the board. So I will be looking for someone that is willing to work with the current board to harmonize, not create division, while having the backbone to implement a better relationship between the district and the taxpayers. And I'm not saying the boundaries will never need to be tweaked. I don't think some people running for re-election are planning on just tweaking. No one can predict what the future holds. But I am talking future, not next summer. People are so determined that these are the worst boundaries in the world but do we know that anything else would be better? And you aren't even going to give them a chance to work? These are what they are and I think you need several years of implementation to examine them before you just determine that they are a disaster. Just my opinion though.
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 14, 2008 9:22:42 GMT -5
Which one of them - took one for the district ? Glawe. Really ? I disagree....he knew WE was leaving NV no matter what -the writing number wise was on the wall - he cut the best deal he could. Is he going to the furthest HS from his home ? NO. And parts of White Eagle are closer to MV than Watts is, as well as is already west of 59. Sorry, that's not taking one for the team. Does WE go to the MS 3rd closest to their home - No again. Does it have satellite locations - nope.
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 14, 2008 9:25:29 GMT -5
So I hear people are moving on. Does that mean moving on and accepting things or moving on to create another division for our district? I understand areas are still frustrated. But kids have a year to adapt, order sportswear, take a tour of their new building (WV) or drive by and get excited about their new school (MV) and you people want to rip that stability away from them the summer before they start school? Well, Janie, first you were supposed to be a Warrior but then someone said you are to be a Mustang but now it looks like someone thought you should be a Warrior again. Well, I know that school starts in a few months. Looks like we are going to have to garage sale all of that black and gold stuff we bought. Oh, and now you are going to be split from all of your junior high friends. Well, before, another group was split from their friends and their daddy didn't like it so he got on the school board and changed things so now we have to travel a bit farther to school and we get split off from our friends. You know, I have no problem "taking it for the team" and driving further to a school. I just have a problem with that happening a few months before school starts for my child. Boundaries should be the LAST thing on any SB candidates minds. It's time to move on and focus on the district as a whole and unifying things. The best thing a candidate can do is to get on the board, make MM apologize to the areas that seem to be hurt, and develop a good communication again between the board and the residents, not to stir up more trouble. Time to put the bandaid on, folks, not jab the knife in deeper. Looks like we are going to have to garage sale all of that black and gold stuff we bought. Nope - you can drive thru Watts / Cowlishaw and swap them for all the Warrior gear we have been accumulating for 20 years because the school is right up the darn road. No one complained when NV was built and it was actually closer - but sorry, this is is a horrid commute we get back for our share of $150M
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Post by gatormom on Jun 14, 2008 9:32:04 GMT -5
Really ? I disagree....he knew WE was leaving NV no matter what -the writing number wise was on the wall - he cut the best deal he could. Is he going to the scenic drive HS from his home ? NO. And parts of White Eagle are closer to MV than Watts is, as well as is already west of 59. Sorry, that's not taking one for the team. Does WE go to the MS 3rd closest to their home - No again. Does it have satellite locations - nope. The Fry community knew they were changing to MV as well, at BB. Did that stop the "we belong in Neuqua cuz we are so close" talk during the boundary hearings from some? Absolutely not. I am not going to discuss Watt's situation. You have written passionately about it, frequently. I am certain that Bruce Glawe would take issue with your feeling that he did not take one for the team. IIRC, those from WE will explain that, they are not just changing HS but MS, will be going to a split MS and the one ES that they have the closest relationship, Fry, will not be at their MS. You are very hyperfocused on distance and that seems to be the only criteria you equate with taking one for the team. Sorry, there are other issues. Some are willing to move forward but go ahead, continue to pick at the scab.
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Post by concerned on Jun 14, 2008 9:52:24 GMT -5
Really ? I disagree....he knew WE was leaving NV no matter what -the writing number wise was on the wall - he cut the best deal he could. Is he going to the scenic drive HS from his home ? NO. And parts of White Eagle are closer to MV than Watts is, as well as is already west of 59. Sorry, that's not taking one for the team. Does WE go to the MS 3rd closest to their home - No again. Does it have satellite locations - nope. The Fry community knew they were changing to MV as well, at BB. Did that stop the "we belong in Neuqua cuz we are so close" talk during the boundary hearings from some? Absolutely not. I am not going to discuss Watt's situation. You have written passionately about it, frequently. I am certain that Bruce Glawe would take issue with your feeling that he did not take one for the team. IIRC, those from WE will explain that, they are not just changing HS but MS, will be going to a split MS and the one ES that they have the closest relationship, Fry, will not be at their MS. You are very hyperfocused on distance and that seems to be the only criteria you equate with taking one for the team. Sorry, there are other issues. Some are willing to move forward but go ahead, continue to pick at the scab. Fry was NOT happy about going to BB, but understood it. BB at least was a more convienent area for Fry to attend. WV is inconvenient. It is out of the way. Many here were always saying NV is so close, but TG took the big step and voted yes and now we are being called Hostile, racists, snobs. As the doc said BG had no leg to stand on. So instead he grouped TG/WE together and YES the SB should of left WE at Scullen. It is so unbelievable that they didn't move Welch out. Fry and Welch are the two biggest ES in the district. This is why I would vote for someone who would change boundaries and yes doc has the right to complain about their commute!!!
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Post by gatormom on Jun 14, 2008 10:06:41 GMT -5
Fry was NOT happy about going to BB, but understood it. BB at least was a more convienent area for Fry to attend. WV is inconvenient. It is out of the way. Many here were always saying NV is so close, but TG took the big step and voted yes and now we are being called Hostile, racists, snobs. As the doc said BG had no leg to stand on. So instead he grouped TG/WE together and YES the SB should of left WE at Scullen. It is so unbelievable that they didn't move Welch out. Fry and Welch are the two biggest ES in the district. This is why I would vote for someone who would change boundaries and yes doc has the right to complain about their commute!!! Better to inconvenience someone else. No boundaries were going to make anyone happy. Moving on. I appreciate your opinions and how you will chose to vote. We can agree to disagree on this.
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 14, 2008 10:09:29 GMT -5
Really ? I disagree....he knew WE was leaving NV no matter what -the writing number wise was on the wall - he cut the best deal he could. Is he going to the scenic drive HS from his home ? NO. And parts of White Eagle are closer to MV than Watts is, as well as is already west of 59. Sorry, that's not taking one for the team. Does WE go to the MS 3rd closest to their home - No again. Does it have satellite locations - nope. The Fry community knew they were changing to MV as well, at BB. Did that stop the "we belong in Neuqua cuz we are so close" talk during the boundary hearings from some? Absolutely not. I am not going to discuss Watt's situation. You have written passionately about it, frequently. I am certain that Bruce Glawe would take issue with your feeling that he did not take one for the team. IIRC, those from WE will explain that, they are not just changing HS but MS, will be going to a split MS and the one ES that they have the closest relationship, Fry, will not be at their MS. You are very hyperfocused on distance and that seems to be the only criteria you equate with taking one for the team. Sorry, there are other issues. Some are willing to move forward but go ahead, continue to pick at the scab. for the umteenth time - it is distance ( to both MS and HS) - it is more impoortantly -time -- the commute triples - forget the d**n googles - the time triples and we all have driven many ruotes here- it is what it is. Does WE commute triple ? Nope- barely changes - and they return to a complete HS when the doors open the next few years - we do not. The MS split is an issue - agreed... the facts are what the facts are- just because one does not want to hear them any more doesn't make them true: we travel to the scenic drive of 3 HS's from our Home- WE does not we travel a long way to Hill for MS - WE does not The closest community to us age wise - land wise is Owen East. They went to Watts - they went to Hill - and yet we are separated from them again, and somehow those trying to justify our move think that being with 2 communities ( as fine as they are) but 4 - 5 miles away land wise and separated by a huge chunk of 203 is somehow the same. I am sorry but it is not. Most people in Watts have explained - they rarely travel north for their shopping / or most anything else- we are so d**n close to everything here- and downtown Naperville and the shopping area on 95th street. So sorry, it is not all about the distance- but it sure as heck is a major factor.
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Post by concerned on Jun 14, 2008 10:34:19 GMT -5
Fry was NOT happy about going to BB, but understood it. BB at least was a more convenient area for Fry to attend. WV is inconvenient. It is out of the way. Many here were always saying NV is so close, but TG took the big step and voted yes and now we are being called Hostile, racists, snobs. As the doc said BG had no leg to stand on. So instead he grouped TG/WE together and YES the SB should of left WE at Scullen. It is so unbelievable that they didn't move Welch out. Fry and Welch are the two biggest ES in the district. This is why I would vote for someone who would change boundaries and yes doc has the right to complain about their commute!!! Better to inconvenience someone else. No boundaries were going to make anyone happy. Moving on. I appreciate your opinions and how you will chose to vote. We can agree to disagree on this. They could of done boundaries better. No one should be inconvenienced by the 3rd HS. A 3rd HS should be a happy thing for all, not just a few. That is what makes this site the wrong site. This site will be inconvenient for many as time goes on. Big mistake in my book and I will not move on. Maybe move out when I can, but until then I will also wait for the SB to apologize to the kids who thought they were going to MV and voted on the mascot and colors.
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Post by Arch on Jun 14, 2008 10:35:25 GMT -5
Again, the price of that lawsuit was huge and it was far more than money. You're darn right it was, but unfortunately many fail to realize that as they were swinging the door forcefully one way, it gained a lot of potential energy from the spring and it's going to come right back and pop the district in the nose before too long.
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Post by gatormom on Jun 14, 2008 10:38:33 GMT -5
Better to inconvenience someone else. No boundaries were going to make anyone happy. Moving on. I appreciate your opinions and how you will chose to vote. We can agree to disagree on this. They could of done boundaries better. No one should be inconvenienced by the 3rd HS. A 3rd HS should be a happy thing for all, not just a few. That is what makes this site the wrong site. This site will be inconvenient for many as time goes on. Big mistake in my book and I will not move on. Maybe move out when I can, but until then I will also wait for the SB to apologize to the kids who thought they were going to MV and voted on the mascot and colors. My daughter does not expect an apology. She is just fine and has adapted to the change rather well. She actually had a much better attitude about it during the process than I did. Sometimes we don't give our kids enough credit. It will be the kids who heal this district.
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Post by momto4 on Jun 14, 2008 10:49:19 GMT -5
Maybe move out when I can, but until then I will also wait for the SB to apologize to the kids who thought they were going to MV and voted on the mascot and colors. I'm not sure why the SB should apologize to kids for letting them vote, same as I don't expect an apology that my child was not allowed to vote for the mascot and colors for the school he'll attend. I think they were busy trying to make the school happen at all and most kids would be both astounded and bored to hear anything from the school board about the situation IMO. I'm just imagining some assemblies next year where the SB comes to explain to the kids about the change in site and boundaries and express their feelings to the kids about... Thank goodness they came through and there will in fact be a school. I hope that the rain we've been having will not have an unaccounted for impact on the schedule.
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Post by concerned on Jun 14, 2008 11:00:32 GMT -5
Then they shoudn't of have the kids vote on the color and mascot before the land was secured. GM I feel your child is in the minority. When adults make mistakes they should apologize just like we would make our kids do the same if they made a mistake.
There were other ways to get the school off the ground and running without voting on the color/mascot. They Should NOT of dragged the kids into this until everything was a done deal!!!!
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