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Post by warriorpride on Jul 8, 2008 23:02:53 GMT -5
I'd like to respond to this last sentence. What was it, one month ago that the nFUD lawsuit was thrown out? As much as the SB felt confident that the lawsuit would not prevail, the reality was that, until the lawsuit was dismissed, there was a possibility of the lawsuit impacting, in one way or another with the construction of MV; the 09 opening of MV; the boundaries of MV; or the location of MV. By the time the lawsuit was dimissed, school was basically out. Now that there are no barriers, I'm sure that there will be plenty of transition work done during the 08-09 school year. In all fairness it didn't stop them from signing millions of dollars of contracts and purchasing land during that time. Also not having land secured earlier did not stop them from having children pick mascot names/colors. Then can do what they want - as they have shown, they chose not to. I don't beliee the lawsuit can be used as a blanket for all of their behavior - as you said yourself they were confident it would fail. that being said, back on the thread. I personally would not punish the kids for the behavior of the leadership team, but I certainly understand how upset people are. If you agree with the post I was responding to, that's fine. I just wonder if people made suggestions about whatever reaching out to future warriors that they've been complaining about not existing - or if they're just grasping at more things to complain about. FWIW, my incoming 8th grade son, a future Mustang, hasn't been reached out to yet - we've been OK with that, though. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 8, 2008 23:19:18 GMT -5
In all fairness it didn't stop them from signing millions of dollars of contracts and purchasing land during that time. Also not having land secured earlier did not stop them from having children pick mascot names/colors. Then can do what they want - as they have shown, they chose not to. I don't beliee the lawsuit can be used as a blanket for all of their behavior - as you said yourself they were confident it would fail. that being said, back on the thread. I personally would not punish the kids for the behavior of the leadership team, but I certainly understand how upset people are. If you agree with the post I was responding to, that's fine. I just wonder if people made suggestions about whatever reaching out to future warriors that they've been complaining about not existing - or if they're just grasping at more things to complain about. FWIW, my incoming 8th grade son, a future Mustang, hasn't been reached out to yet - we've been OK with that, though. If you've read my posts in this thread you would know I don't agree with it - I clearly stated 1/ that although it upset me to talk about it- the WV pig roast was a great event , 2/ I would never do anything to hurt the athletes in 204 & 3/ I understand why some people are so angry ( you choose to not recognize how angry and why- and tie it all to the nfud lawsuit, that just doesn't fit most people who are angry) maybe if you were backhand slapped as I and everyone else in Watts was in being told those replacing me would bring more money and balance to the WVHS boosters by the WVHS booster club president, you'd understand more. And done so in front of all our kids also. So please do not try and tie me to the rest of that post - you picked out one sentance and I responded to it also. I am not nfud and don't fit under that shallow umbrella, and don't appreciate it. The SB has done anything and everything they have wanted to - and the court has determined they are within their power- my point is they could have done anything regarding welcoming anyone, anywhere- they have chosen not to, except for the inner circle. So it is an accurate statement. my quotes in this thread - so tell me how I agree with the whole post.
"Although I can't talk about this much without it bothering me -- this should be a must do for any future Warrior families- especially those with athletes. It is a great time, "
"that being said, back on the thread. I personally would not punish the kids for the behavior of the leadership team"
"but I certainly understand how upset people are" |
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Post by warriorpride on Jul 8, 2008 23:42:17 GMT -5
If you agree with the post I was responding to, that's fine. I just wonder if people made suggestions about whatever reaching out to future warriors that they've been complaining about not existing - or if they're just grasping at more things to complain about. FWIW, my incoming 8th grade son, a future Mustang, hasn't been reached out to yet - we've been OK with that, though. If you've read my posts in this thread you would know I don't agree with it - I clearly stated 1/ that although it upset me to talk about it- the WV pig roast was a great event , 2/ I would never do anything to hurt the athletes in 204 & 3/ I understand why some people are so angry ( you choose to not recognize how angry and why- and tie it all to the nfud lawsuit, that just doesn't fit most people who are angry) maybe if you were backhand slapped as I and everyone else in Watts was in being told those replacing me would bring more money and balance to the WVHS boosters by the WVHS booster club president, you'd understand more. And done so in front of all our kids also. So please do not try and tie me to the rest of that post - you picked out one sentance and I responded to it also. I am not nfud and don't fit under that shallow umbrella, and don't appreciate it. The SB has done anything and everything they have wanted to - and the court has determined they are within their power- my point is they could have done anything regarding welcoming anyone, anywhere- they have chosen not to, except for the inner circle. So it is an accurate statement. my quotes in this thread - so tell me how I agree with the whole post.
"Although I can't talk about this much without it bothering me -- this should be a must do for any future Warrior families- especially those with athletes. It is a great time, "
"that being said, back on the thread. I personally would not punish the kids for the behavior of the leadership team"
"but I certainly understand how upset people are"I've never said you agreed with it. I was questioning those that were complaining about the lack of reaching out. How about if the students & families are all reached-out to at the same time, when it makes more sense? Like this upcoming school year, for example. I've acknowledged plenty of times that some people are unhappy. We've also heard about plenty of people that haven't belabored what's transpired, and have accepted less-than-ideal circumstances. The fact is that some people were going to be unhappy, regardless of the MV location or HS boundaries. Some were unhappy about BB. Now, what would typically happen here is a response to my post about how nobody got the worst X,Y, and Z with BB. Some may think I'm being insensitive about pointing this out, but I think that the archives would show that I'm right. I don't think I'm being insensitive by saying that 1) the unhappiness had been made very clear here - I'm sorry that some areas got shorter ends of the stick; 2) many of us are tired of hearing over and and over and over about the unhappiness; and 3) many of us are tired about many of the threads circling around back to the unhappiness. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 8, 2008 23:57:14 GMT -5
If you've read my posts in this thread you would know I don't agree with it - I clearly stated 1/ that although it upset me to talk about it- the WV pig roast was a great event , 2/ I would never do anything to hurt the athletes in 204 & 3/ I understand why some people are so angry ( you choose to not recognize how angry and why- and tie it all to the nfud lawsuit, that just doesn't fit most people who are angry) maybe if you were backhand slapped as I and everyone else in Watts was in being told those replacing me would bring more money and balance to the WVHS boosters by the WVHS booster club president, you'd understand more. And done so in front of all our kids also. So please do not try and tie me to the rest of that post - you picked out one sentance and I responded to it also. I am not nfud and don't fit under that shallow umbrella, and don't appreciate it. The SB has done anything and everything they have wanted to - and the court has determined they are within their power- my point is they could have done anything regarding welcoming anyone, anywhere- they have chosen not to, except for the inner circle. So it is an accurate statement. my quotes in this thread - so tell me how I agree with the whole post.
"Although I can't talk about this much without it bothering me -- this should be a must do for any future Warrior families- especially those with athletes. It is a great time, "
"that being said, back on the thread. I personally would not punish the kids for the behavior of the leadership team"
"but I certainly understand how upset people are"I've never said you agreed with it. I was questioning those that were complaining about the lack of reaching out. How about if the students & families are all reached-out to at the same time, when it makes more sense? Like this upcoming school year, for example. I've acknowledged plenty of times that some people are unhappy. We've also heard about plenty of people that haven't belabored what's transpired, and have accepted less-than-ideal circumstances. The fact is that some people were going to be unhappy, regardless of the MV location or HS boundaries. Some were unhappy about BB. Now, what would typically happen here is a response to my post about how nobody got the worst X,Y, and Z with BB. Some may think I'm being insensitive about pointing this out, but I think that the archives would show that I'm right. I don't think I'm being insensitive by saying that 1) the unhappiness had been made very clear here - I'm sorry that some areas got shorter ends of the stick; 2) many of us are tired of hearing over and and over and over about the unhappiness; and 3) many of us are tired about many of the threads circling around back to the unhappiness. I am sorry that those of us unhappy had to be so, many of the things that led to it did not have to be, and while I agree some would be unhappy no matter what, I also believe certain decisions maximized the volume of people who are upset and have every right to be so. I am also sorry many are tired of hearing it, but I truly believe it isn't going away any time soon, in fact as Fall 2009 draws nearer it has the potential to increase. And believe it or not, I am truly sorry it has come to this point.... |
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Post by warriorpride on Jul 9, 2008 6:22:38 GMT -5
... but I truly believe it isn't going away any time soon, in fact as Fall 2009 draws nearer it has the potential to increase... That will be a self-fulfilling prophecy if people keep complaining about things that cannot be changed, and being negative at every turn about 204-related matters. How is this "good" or "healthy"? It's one thing to be unhappy - it's another to not let go, and just be totally negative all the time. No disrespect is meant by saying "move on", but that's really what needs to happen. Moving on is part of the healing that people talk about. Some people seem uninterested in healing - or even letting others heal, for that matter. ETA: the bottom line is this: it's up to the parents to choose how well the transition goes into the 2009-2010 school year (I'm not saying that the Admin won't play a big part in this, as well). If there's a positive attitude and a willingness to adapt to the challenges of some pretty significant changes coming in a year, then things should work out fine. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 9, 2008 8:17:59 GMT -5
... but I truly believe it isn't going away any time soon, in fact as Fall 2009 draws nearer it has the potential to increase... That's a self-fulfilling prophecy if people keep complaining about things that cannot be changed, and being negative at every turn about 204-related matters. How is this "good" or "healthy"? It's one thing to be unhappy - it's another to not let go, and just be totally negative all the time. No disrespect is meant by saying "move on", but that's really what needs to happen. Moving on is part of the healing that people talk about. Some people seem uninterested in healing - or even letting others heal, for that matter. Again , easy to say from your position. Was I negative about the pig roast - NO, quite the opposite. Is it easy to be negative about the SB - you bet- because they are who has caused this pain here. And hopefully most will be extracted the next time there is that opportunity for each. I don't believe many will 'move on' until at least after that. That's the way I am many others in my area see it, if that's upsetting for others, well, welcome to our world. Is it also easy to be negative towards the booster club pres at WVHS for his comments- you would be too if they were directd at your area. They were insensitive at best. |
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Post by warriorpride on Jul 9, 2008 8:39:34 GMT -5
That's a self-fulfilling prophecy if people keep complaining about things that cannot be changed, and being negative at every turn about 204-related matters. How is this "good" or "healthy"? It's one thing to be unhappy - it's another to not let go, and just be totally negative all the time. No disrespect is meant by saying "move on", but that's really what needs to happen. Moving on is part of the healing that people talk about. Some people seem uninterested in healing - or even letting others heal, for that matter. Again , easy to say from your position. Was I negative about the pig roast - NO, quite the opposite. Is it easy to be negative about the SB - you bet- because they are who has caused this pain here. And hopefully most will be extracted the next time there is that opportunity for each. I don't believe many will 'move on' until at least after that. That's the way I am many others in my area see it, if that's upsetting for others, well, welcome to our world. Is it also easy to be negative towards the booster club pres at WVHS for his comments- you would be too if they were directd at your area. They were insensitive at best. Oh, yeah I forget about the "easy for you to say, because you got X" line. Thanks for clarfying that while you had nothing negative to say about the pig roast (i.e. the topic at hand), you have indeed once again done what I've just talked about: gone off topic and turned this into a b1tch session/pity party/whine-fest. I and many others are TIRED OF THIS. If you want to talk about the SB or boosters or anything else you want to complain about, then start a new topic. |
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Post by gatordog on Jul 9, 2008 9:00:02 GMT -5
If the district wanted to reach out to future new Warriors, a few months ago would have been a great time to do it - in any, even small way. When you are talking about reaching out, are you specifically talking about last years 8th graders? Maybe 7th graders too. I cannot speak how 8th grade end of year events went at Scullen. But having a child just finish up 8th grade at Still, I know the principle did a very good job of addressing or reaching out to new Mustangs, as well as the new Warriors. (they all will be "new", wont they?   ) The Still principle gave words of encouragement and advice at two end of year function, the Honors breakfast and the Promotion ceremony. Maybe she did it at other opportunities, too, that parents were not at. The theme was you have a chance to really show leadership. A chance to create something new, be pioneers. The Still principal made good use of these fabulous opportunities with a big audience of 8th graders before school let out. Did the Scullen principal do anything similar? I hope so! |
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Post by steckdad on Jul 9, 2008 9:06:31 GMT -5
That's a self-fulfilling prophecy if people keep complaining about things that cannot be changed, and being negative at every turn about 204-related matters. How is this "good" or "healthy"? It's one thing to be unhappy - it's another to not let go, and just be totally negative all the time. No disrespect is meant by saying "move on", but that's really what needs to happen. Moving on is part of the healing that people talk about. Some people seem uninterested in healing - or even letting others heal, for that matter.
Again , easy to say from your position.Was I negative about the pig roast - NO, quite the opposite. Is it easy to be negative about the SB - you bet- because they are who has caused this pain here. And hopefully most will be extracted the next time there is that opportunity for each. I don't believe many will 'move on' until at least after that. That's the way I am many others in my area see it, if that's upsetting for others, well, welcome to our world. Is it also easy to be negative towards the booster club pres at WVHS for his comments- you would be too if they were directd at your area. They were insensitive at best. Life is full of choices. you choose your SB members. You choose yes or no on refs. you choose your home location. you choose the district you live in. I like the fact that you have chosen not to be a victim and send your child to private school. But, your posts don't reflect that choice. It is kind of confusing..... |
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 9, 2008 9:37:14 GMT -5
Again , easy to say from your position.Was I negative about the pig roast - NO, quite the opposite. Is it easy to be negative about the SB - you bet- because they are who has caused this pain here. And hopefully most will be extracted the next time there is that opportunity for each. I don't believe many will 'move on' until at least after that. That's the way I am many others in my area see it, if that's upsetting for others, well, welcome to our world. Is it also easy to be negative towards the booster club pres at WVHS for his comments- you would be too if they were directd at your area. They were insensitive at best. Life is full of choices. you choose your SB members. You choose yes or no on refs. you choose your home location. you choose the district you live in. I like the fact that you have chosen not to be a victim and send your child to private school. But, your posts don't reflect that choice. It is kind of confusing..... Not confusing at all -- 1/ I am a resident of Watts community - and just because my child is attending school elsewhere does not change the atmosphere in my area. Yes I avoid being a victim, at a very steep price to do so. 2/ My daughter 's friends ( and our freinds) are suffering and hurting from this decision 3/ A number of her friends also took the test for Benet but did not get in - she is being separated from friends on many levels because of this decision, including 2 who decided they had had enough and moved ( one gone, one going) -- My daughter is at Benet's VB freshman camp this week and we couldn't be more thrilled with the school. Not everyone in my area has that opportunity however. 4/ I am also a taxpayer. I am paying the same amount as everyone else for these decisions - yet getting the complete short end of the stick. I am sorry if I am less than thrilled with that. So tell me what exactly is confusing ..... and life was full of choices I voted Yes based on apparently faulty facts ( that were known before the vote) - 10,400 vs 8900. Would that have changed my vote- can't say, but ticks me off to see quotes from Howie acknowledging the numbers appeared bad before we voted, yet no communication on that. I did not vote to put a HS 45 minutes by bus or in rush hour from my house - and surely not one we would have to attend. We can argue semantics on that until the cows come home, but almost no one here would have voted for that - however we didn't get that vote. I made the choice to live here 19 years ago, and with the market being what it is I most likely will not take yet another financial hit to leave the mess that's been delivered to us. We'll see on that one also, but as I talk to those who have already left 204 for neighboring districts, they are doing so at yet another cost to themselves. If I leave 204 as a resident also you will hear no more from me, and I know some are likely lighting candles hoping that will happen.  |
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 9, 2008 9:40:07 GMT -5
Again , easy to say from your position. Was I negative about the pig roast - NO, quite the opposite. Is it easy to be negative about the SB - you bet- because they are who has caused this pain here. And hopefully most will be extracted the next time there is that opportunity for each. I don't believe many will 'move on' until at least after that. That's the way I am many others in my area see it, if that's upsetting for others, well, welcome to our world. Is it also easy to be negative towards the booster club pres at WVHS for his comments- you would be too if they were directd at your area. They were insensitive at best. Oh, yeah I forget about the "easy for you to say, because you got X" line. Thanks for clarfying that while you had nothing negative to say about the pig roast (i.e. the topic at hand), you have indeed once again done what I've just talked about: gone off topic and turned this into a b1tch session/pity party/whine-fest. I and many others are TIRED OF THIS. If you want to talk about the SB or boosters or anything else you want to complain about, then start a new topic. and I GET TIRED of everything that may be an issue being tied to the so called nfud lawsuit - where do I complain ? You enter that in any topic where someone has an issue with the SB, or Admin. You yourself said that was a handful of people. maybe there should be a filter for nfud lawsuit that makes it read - something else |
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Post by warriorpride on Jul 9, 2008 9:43:32 GMT -5
First and only warning - this thread will be locked if we can't stay on topic.
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 9, 2008 9:48:35 GMT -5
First and only warning - this thread will be locked if we can't stay on topic. I will start a new thread |
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Post by warriorpride on Jul 9, 2008 10:04:06 GMT -5
Oh, yeah I forget about the "easy for you to say, because you got X" line. Thanks for clarfying that while you had nothing negative to say about the pig roast (i.e. the topic at hand), you have indeed once again done what I've just talked about: gone off topic and turned this into a b1tch session/pity party/whine-fest. I and many others are TIRED OF THIS. If you want to talk about the SB or boosters or anything else you want to complain about, then start a new topic. and I GET TIRED of everything that may be an issue being tied to the so called nfud lawsuit - where do I complain ? You enter that in any topic where someone has an issue with the SB, or Admin. You yourself said that was a handful of people. maybe there should be a filter for nfud lawsuit that makes it read - something else and I'm tired of you being tired of something that isn't true - I don't tie everything to nFUD - I do find it interesting that you seem to defend them a lot, though, and you may have been spotted at a meeting or two ok - thread's locked now |
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