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Post by eb204 on Jul 25, 2008 20:47:27 GMT -5
Because there seems to be no information coming from those who made the decision who could give us their reasoning. As was once told to me: They don't have to give a reason, they were elected to make the decisions. Yes, make decisions, but according to the Missions and Goals of the council. And Goal #5 states: 5. To initiate action in matters of common interest within council boundaries, when supported by a majority of local units in membership. I don't see where they got support of the majority of local units in the membership for this decision. That's what bothers me. This whole thing seems like it is being swept under the rug in hopes no one brings it up.
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Post by eb204 on Jul 25, 2008 20:55:52 GMT -5
Wow, I definitely need to be rebooted from time to time. My husband will get a good laugh when he hears this. Seriously though, evidently the IPPC executive board made the decision not to do this event if what I read here is true. If that is the case then yes, they can cancel an event for any number of reasons. You would have to check with them regarding their decision and to get the right answer instead of reading something into it. Yes, I think it is a worthwhile event. Yes I support scholarships for special needs students. No, I wouldn't volunteer for the committee -- I am too busy volunteering for other things. That would be much easier if they'd answer their emails. Again, the fact they are saying nothing smells fishy. Correspondence has fast become this new Presidents strong suit and her silence on this issue is being noticed.
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Post by Arch on Jul 25, 2008 21:26:53 GMT -5
As was once told to me: They don't have to give a reason, they were elected to make the decisions. Yes, make decisions, but according to the Missions and Goals of the council. And Goal #5 states: 5. To initiate action in matters of common interest within council boundaries, when supported by a majority of local units in membership. I don't see where they got support of the majority of local units in the membership for this decision. That's what bothers me. This whole thing seems like it is being swept under the rug in hopes no one brings it up. I don't see where it says there has to be a basketball game either. Also, to point out some logic here: Not having a game is NOT ACTION and therefore wouldn't need to be supported by a majority of local units in membership.
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Post by eb204 on Jul 25, 2008 23:04:46 GMT -5
Yes, make decisions, but according to the Missions and Goals of the council. And Goal #5 states: 5. To initiate action in matters of common interest within council boundaries, when supported by a majority of local units in membership. I don't see where they got support of the majority of local units in the membership for this decision. That's what bothers me. This whole thing seems like it is being swept under the rug in hopes no one brings it up. I don't see where it says there has to be a basketball game either. Also, to point out some logic here: Not having a game is NOT ACTION and therefore wouldn't need to be supported by a majority of local units in membership. There are actions taken within IPPC that you may obviously are not be privy to. So until you are, your "logic lesson" is a moot point. You seem very much opposed to this game as well, Arch. I'm curious as to why. Help me understand this viewpoint. To reiterate, added monies and increased number of scholarships to students, volunteers lined up, community involvement with a positive direction, expenses covered. Tell me what the down sides are. Are you opposed to things that might, in fact, bring this community back together? Did you go to this event? If so, what was your opinion of it? Answers to these questions might help me understand your perspective.
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Post by eb204 on Jul 25, 2008 23:22:09 GMT -5
I think we agree on that, doc. From reading other boards and blogs, I can see some don't want to volunteer to do things anymore as they see it as a payback for what the district "did to them". But I see the volunteers all lined up for this. I also don't see this as anyone not getting a fair shake for their area. It's the kids that will suffer district-wide if those scholarships are cut. If this is a decision the IPPC as a whole agrees on, that is one thing. But it seems by SNM's statment that the IPPC board has a different plan. I would like to know why. That's all. If they have another district-wide event that would raise money for these kids that everyone can attend and support the district, then I am behind them 100%. The one part I disagree with is I think many who do not want to participate much any more ( financially or personally) is not driven as much by 'payback' it's people don't want to dedicate themselves 150% any more and then get the short end of the proverbial stick again. That is the main motivation from those I talk to, and many help all kinds of positions in this distrct- not just people shooting off their mouths. I think the watching for what's good for my area , or my child will take priority now for many as many who did just that very vocally ended up with what they wanted - as they don't feel they can trust our elected group to focus on the good of all. Everyone can decide on their own how right that statement is - I have my feeling, you likely have yours, but the fact that sentiment exists, and is more than a few people really can't be denied. Again whether or not that is the case in this decision I have no insight whatsoever... there seems to be hints in that direction - but who knows. I understand what you are saying and would probably agree with it. But the 150% dedication that you refer to is not in question here. I understand that the volunteers for this event have been in place since the last game. No one is asking for more volunteers nor is the committee asking for help from the IPPC officers. Because this event had so many positives, I'm just trying to understand the rationale behind the decision.
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Post by like2read on Jul 25, 2008 23:37:33 GMT -5
Wow, I definitely need to be rebooted from time to time. My husband will get a good laugh when he hears this. Seriously though, evidently the IPPC executive board made the decision not to do this event if what I read here is true. If that is the case then yes, they can cancel an event for any number of reasons. You would have to check with them regarding their decision and to get the right answer instead of reading something into it. Yes, I think it is a worthwhile event. Yes I support scholarships for special needs students. No, I wouldn't volunteer for the committee -- I am too busy volunteering for other things. I don't quetion that you support special needs scholarships in general and I don't recall anyone here asking you to volunteer for this event (certainly I didn't). But you didn't answer THIS question: Are you at all concerned that without this game, those scholarships might not now be available? By scholarships, I mean the scholarships to the special needs students in particular.
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Post by Arch on Jul 26, 2008 1:05:10 GMT -5
I don't see where it says there has to be a basketball game either. Also, to point out some logic here: Not having a game is NOT ACTION and therefore wouldn't need to be supported by a majority of local units in membership. There are actions taken within IPPC that you may obviously are not be privy to. So until you are, your "logic lesson" is a moot point. You seem very much opposed to this game as well, Arch. I'm curious as to why. Help me understand this viewpoint. To reiterate, added monies and increased number of scholarships to students, volunteers lined up, community involvement with a positive direction, expenses covered. Tell me what the down sides are. Are you opposed to things that might, in fact, bring this community back together? Did you go to this event? If so, what was your opinion of it? Answers to these questions might help me understand your perspective. Seems like you are not reading my posts or are selectively reading them. I already said I hope they have secured the same or more funding that the game brought in last year to ensure they have as many or more scholarships as last time. The game I don't have a feeling for or against it so why you take that as a 'against' I am not sure unless you are just looking for something to pick a fight about which you seem to like to do with me for whatever reason. I find it pathetically sad, to be honest with you, but you're certainly entitled to your interpretation of things. That same 'bone to pick' seems to be consistent with the insinuations you're making about the current board of the IPPC and their 'agendas' with comments like: "Something else has to be at play here." "Again, sounds like there's a different agenda or different motives in play." "Perhaps some communities were able to "convince" this new board to change their tune. " "Again, the fact they are saying nothing smells fishy." So, as I said, you're certainly entitled to your opinions and such but when you start making accusatory statements or just flat out falsehoods, do some proof reading first.
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Post by Arch on Jul 26, 2008 1:07:29 GMT -5
Wow, I definitely need to be rebooted from time to time. My husband will get a good laugh when he hears this. Seriously though, evidently the IPPC executive board made the decision not to do this event if what I read here is true. If that is the case then yes, they can cancel an event for any number of reasons. You would have to check with them regarding their decision and to get the right answer instead of reading something into it. Yes, I think it is a worthwhile event. Yes I support scholarships for special needs students. No, I wouldn't volunteer for the committee -- I am too busy volunteering for other things. I don't quetion that you support special needs scholarships in general and I don't recall anyone here asking you to volunteer for this event (certainly I didn't). But you didn't answer THIS question: Are you at all concerned that without this game, those scholarships might not now be available? By scholarships, I mean the scholarships to the special needs students in particular. I'm not SNM, but I'l give you my read on it. If it means less scholarships, yes I am concerned. If they have another means to meet or exceed the scholarships from last year then no, I'm not concerned. Some times, things go off so well the first time that it's hard to meet or exceed that which you've already done. Rock bands have a hard time figuring this out.. Quit while you're good instead of putting on concerts that basically suck. Hypothetically, if some felt they could not secure as much 'celebrity talent' as last time this time around maybe some felt it was best not to go through with this specific event but instead plan a different one at some other point in time. Based on the 'why' in the post about securing money for scholarships; if they found another way to do it (and even better it) that has yet to be announced, then awesome. I look forward to hearing about it at the appropriate time in the future.
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Post by specialneedsmom on Jul 26, 2008 7:41:35 GMT -5
Because this is an inclusive district, the process through which students can apply for scholarships is a very democratic process. I have volunteered for scholarship reading for PTA, IPPC, and the Illinois PTA and I can say without reservation that a student would never be denied a scholarship because of special needs. Therefore, this is not the only avenue by which a student with special needs can get a scholarship. Any student can apply for any scholarship anytime in this district. Those are facts. So to answer your question, no I am not concerned that a special needs student would be denied a scholarship because I know the facts. I have read dozens of scholarship applications over the years. The question is does the executive board of this organization have the discretion to cancel an event and the answer to that question is yes they do. Until you know why they made that decision you know nothing.
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Post by title1parent on Jul 26, 2008 8:10:40 GMT -5
SNM- Do you have any insight into why this may be cancelled as it sounds like there are people willing to put it on and are organized? Just wondering. From what I have read here, there are people who have tried to contact the IPPC officers, and havent received any information. Do you know if they have some other event planned to help fund the scholarships and bring the district together as was done with the basketball game? Like I said, I had gone to the event and it was worthwhile. I know that our ES faculty member and Alderman, who participated, enjoyed being a part of the event and said they were impressed with the turnout for it and hoped to do it again this year.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jul 26, 2008 9:52:15 GMT -5
Because this is an inclusive district, the process through which students can apply for scholarships is a very democratic process. I have volunteered for scholarship reading for PTA, IPPC, and the Illinois PTA and I can say without reservation that a student would never be denied a scholarship because of special needs. Therefore, this is not the only avenue by which a student with special needs can get a scholarship. Any student can apply for any scholarship anytime in this district. Those are facts. So to answer your question, no I am not concerned that a special needs student would be denied a scholarship because I know the facts. I have read dozens of scholarship applications over the years. The question is does the executive board of this organization have the discretion to cancel an event and the answer to that question is yes they do. Until you know why they made that decision you know nothing.That IS the question we have been asking......Please tell us why they made that decision. We want to understand.
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Post by eb204 on Jul 26, 2008 10:05:20 GMT -5
There are actions taken within IPPC that you may obviously are not be privy to. So until you are, your "logic lesson" is a moot point. You seem very much opposed to this game as well, Arch. I'm curious as to why. Help me understand this viewpoint. To reiterate, added monies and increased number of scholarships to students, volunteers lined up, community involvement with a positive direction, expenses covered. Tell me what the down sides are. Are you opposed to things that might, in fact, bring this community back together? Did you go to this event? If so, what was your opinion of it? Answers to these questions might help me understand your perspective. Seems like you are not reading my posts or are selectively reading them. I already said I hope they have secured the same or more funding that the game brought in last year to ensure they have as many or more scholarships as last time. The game I don't have a feeling for or against it so why you take that as a 'against' I am not sure unless you are just looking for something to pick a fight about which you seem to like to do with me for whatever reason. I find it pathetically sad, to be honest with you, but you're certainly entitled to your interpretation of things. That same 'bone to pick' seems to be consistent with the insinuations you're making about the current board of the IPPC and their 'agendas' with comments like: "Something else has to be at play here." "Again, sounds like there's a different agenda or different motives in play." "Perhaps some communities were able to "convince" this new board to change their tune. " "Again, the fact they are saying nothing smells fishy." So, as I said, you're certainly entitled to your opinions and such but when you start making accusatory statements or just flat out falsehoods, do some proof reading first. I wasn't trying to "pick a fight" with you. I am simply trying to get an understanding on your perspective if indeed, you were opposed to the GAME itself. I clearly understood your desire to have options for continued funding and I too, hope there are options for continued funding. I also don't have a "bone to pick" but I do want answers to some questions I've asked. I'm sure you can relate to that frustration, no? The fact that I and others have not gotten answers have resulted in much speculation. I truly hope that speculation is misguided. My opinions are based on what I do know and some of which I have not shared here for reasons I am uncomfortable with. I am not trying to insinuate anything. But, yes, these are my opinions and I still stand by them based on what I do know. Until I can confirm otherwise, they will remain my opinion. Like you and others Arch, I am very passionate about certain things as well, especiallly when it affects the special needs population. So yes, I am very concerned about this and am stating my opinion(s) here. If you feel that I'm making accusations or flat out falsehoods, point me to where you know differently. Maybe those are the answers I'm looking for. You stated you have no feelings for the game itself one way or the other. I accept that. But can you answer this? What are the down sides of this event? All of the postives have been put forth - I won't repeat those - but what are the negatives of an event like this? Again, just trying to understand what the community thinks.
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Post by like2read on Jul 26, 2008 10:08:49 GMT -5
So to answer your question, no I am not concerned that a special needs student would be denied a scholarship because I know the facts. I have read dozens of scholarship applications over the years. The question is does the executive board of this organization have the discretion to cancel an event and the answer to that question is yes they do. Until you know why they made that decision you know nothing. No, my question was not whether the special needs kids would be denied scholarships because of their special needs. My questions was (and I'll restate it so it is clear) : Are you concerned that THE 2 new scholarships that were created as a result of this event might now be elimiated as a result of not having this event? As for the other question you answered, I didn't ask that. But you seem to be very adamant about defending this decision, so I'll leave it at that. I would, however, like an answer to my original question.
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Post by like2read on Jul 26, 2008 10:15:17 GMT -5
So to answer your question, no I am not concerned that a special needs student would be denied a scholarship because I know the facts. I have read dozens of scholarship applications over the years. The question is does the executive board of this organization have the discretion to cancel an event and the answer to that question is yes they do. Until you know why they made that decision you know nothing. No, my question was not whether the special needs kids would be denied scholarships because of their special needs. My questions was (and I'll restate it so it is clear) : Are you concerned that THE 2 new scholarships that were created as a result of this event might now be elimiated as a result of not having this event? As for the other question you answered, I didn't ask that. But you seem to be very adamant about defending this decision, so I'll leave it at that. I also never claimed to *know* anything here, so I don't know why you say I do. I would, however, like an answer to my original question.
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Post by Arch on Jul 26, 2008 10:34:18 GMT -5
Seems like you are not reading my posts or are selectively reading them. I already said I hope they have secured the same or more funding that the game brought in last year to ensure they have as many or more scholarships as last time. The game I don't have a feeling for or against it so why you take that as a 'against' I am not sure unless you are just looking for something to pick a fight about which you seem to like to do with me for whatever reason. I find it pathetically sad, to be honest with you, but you're certainly entitled to your interpretation of things. That same 'bone to pick' seems to be consistent with the insinuations you're making about the current board of the IPPC and their 'agendas' with comments like: "Something else has to be at play here." "Again, sounds like there's a different agenda or different motives in play." "Perhaps some communities were able to "convince" this new board to change their tune. " "Again, the fact they are saying nothing smells fishy." So, as I said, you're certainly entitled to your opinions and such but when you start making accusatory statements or just flat out falsehoods, do some proof reading first. I wasn't trying to "pick a fight" with you. I am simply trying to get an understanding on your perspective if indeed, you were opposed to the GAME itself. I clearly understood your desire to have options for continued funding and I too, hope there are options for continued funding. I also don't have a "bone to pick" but I do want answers to some questions I've asked. I'm sure you can relate to that frustration, no? The fact that I and others have not gotten answers have resulted in much speculation. I truly hope that speculation is misguided. My opinions are based on what I do know and some of which I have not shared here for reasons I am uncomfortable with. I am not trying to insinuate anything. But, yes, these are my opinions and I still stand by them based on what I do know. Until I can confirm otherwise, they will remain my opinion. Like you and others Arch, I am very passionate about certain things as well, especiallly when it affects the special needs population. So yes, I am very concerned about this and am stating my opinion(s) here. If you feel that I'm making accusations or flat out falsehoods, point me to where you know differently. Maybe those are the answers I'm looking for. You stated you have no feelings for the game itself one way or the other. I accept that. But can you answer this? What are the down sides of this event? All of the postives have been put forth - I won't repeat those - but what are the negatives of an event like this? Again, just trying to understand what the community thinks. I don't believe I ever said there were 'downsides' to an event the same as I never said I was against it so I'm not really sure why you are asking me that question. To me, it sounds like a Fox News tactic to try to pin a position on me by repeating it often enough even though the whole assumptions are false to begin with. Those 'office politics' games are best not played. As for relating to frustrations due to lack of answers; welcome to my world. Sucks, don't it? I try to make lemonade from the lemons and there's a good tasty batch in the hopper. Throwing out a comment about certain neighborhoods convince a board to change their tune most certainly sounded like an insinuation. Is this 'really' what happened and is this (as you stated) "based on what I do know and some of which I have not shared here for reasons I am uncomfortable with. "
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