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Post by doctorwho on Aug 19, 2008 11:24:24 GMT -5
One more offshoot of ADK - the YMCA Safe and sound - before and after school program ( which also runs in 203) has seen an increase of 150 kids in 204 with the advent of ADK.
For better or for worse these are now kids as young as 4 who are physically at their school from as early as 7AM until as late as 6 PM. Quite a long day for them.
Luckily the program is run very well from what I understand
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Post by gatormom on Aug 19, 2008 11:34:17 GMT -5
One more offshoot of ADK - the YMCA Safe and sound - before and after school program ( which also runs in 203) has seen an increase of 150 kids in 204 with the advent of ADK. For better or for worse these are now kids as young as 4 who are physically at their school from as early as 7AM until as late as 6 PM. Quite a long day for them. Luckily the program is run very well from what I understand Very long day. Of course, it is probably safe to say those children would be in some program all day. I just hope they get a nap at some point, some kids absolutely need them at that age.
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Post by doctorwho on Aug 19, 2008 11:39:33 GMT -5
One more offshoot of ADK - the YMCA Safe and sound - before and after school program ( which also runs in 203) has seen an increase of 150 kids in 204 with the advent of ADK. For better or for worse these are now kids as young as 4 who are physically at their school from as early as 7AM until as late as 6 PM. Quite a long day for them. Luckily the program is run very well from what I understand Very long day. Of course, it is probably safe to say those children would be in some program all day. I just hope they get a nap at some point, some kids absolutely need them at that age. These are likely kids that might have been at day care - yes, the difference being they at least had some change of venue - no longer. Also day cares ( I think ) may be better equipped for nap time... I understand the need for this so don't get me wrong - but I can't imagine being 4 or 5 and spening 11 hours a day at school --
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Post by Arch on Aug 19, 2008 11:58:25 GMT -5
The unfortunate side effect is that there is a high probability it can make them 'sick of school' at a very early age.
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Post by gatormom on Aug 19, 2008 12:00:40 GMT -5
I understand the need for this so don't get me wrong - but I can't imagine being 4 or 5 and spening 11 hours a day at school -- I agree with you but remember, these are choices parents are making and they are doing what is right for their own family. While I might not think have a child that young at school all day is the right choice, others feel differently.
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Post by we4 on Aug 19, 2008 14:34:32 GMT -5
One more offshoot of ADK - the YMCA Safe and sound - before and after school program ( which also runs in 203) has seen an increase of 150 kids in 204 with the advent of ADK. For better or for worse these are now kids as young as 4 who are physically at their school from as early as 7AM until as late as 6 PM. Quite a long day for them. Luckily the program is run very well from what I understand Very long day. Of course, it is probably safe to say those children would be in some program all day. I just hope they get a nap at some point, some kids absolutely need them at that age. Kids of all ages (read: adults) can use or like to take a nap during the day. Speaking of nap...yawn, stretch....I think I need to go do something.
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Post by warriorpride on Aug 19, 2008 14:47:20 GMT -5
The unfortunate side effect is that there is a high probability it can make them 'sick of school' at a very early age. Did you get this information from somewhere, or is just your opinion?
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Post by Arch on Aug 19, 2008 14:56:16 GMT -5
The unfortunate side effect is that there is a high probability it can make them 'sick of school' at a very early age. Did you get this information from somewhere, or is just your opinion? Opinion backed by observation. Why, do you have data to the contrary? Added: Everyone has their own threshold of 'how much is too much' and I put forth that a kid who stays in the same building for the majority of their awake hours will have a higher probability of beginning to dislike it and 'get sick of it' sooner than one who does not simply because of prolonged exposure time.
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Post by justvote on Aug 19, 2008 15:13:30 GMT -5
Very long day. Of course, it is probably safe to say those children would be in some program all day. I just hope they get a nap at some point, some kids absolutely need them at that age. These are likely kids that might have been at day care - yes, the difference being they at least had some change of venue - no longer. Also day cares ( I think ) may be better equipped for nap time... I understand the need for this so don't get me wrong - but I can't imagine being 4 or 5 and spening 11 hours a day at school -- Day cares are much better equipped for nap time. There will be no "nap time" for ADK during or after school. One downside with the Y program (IMO), is that all of the ages are together in one area, daycares split the kids up. Doctorwho - no 4 year olds are in ADK (unless their b-day is between 8/25 - 9/1). The kids are 5-6. I'm an advocate of ADK, but I do see this as a negative, as well.
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Post by doctorwho on Aug 19, 2008 16:28:25 GMT -5
These are likely kids that might have been at day care - yes, the difference being they at least had some change of venue - no longer. Also day cares ( I think ) may be better equipped for nap time... I understand the need for this so don't get me wrong - but I can't imagine being 4 or 5 and spening 11 hours a day at school -- Day cares are much better equipped for nap time. There will be no "nap time" for ADK during or after school. One downside with the Y program (IMO), is that all of the ages are together in one area, daycares split the kids up. Doctorwho - no 4 year olds are in ADK (unless their b-day is between 8/25 - 9/1). The kids are 5-6. I'm an advocate of ADK, but I do see this as a negative, as well. I can tell you there is a 4 year old ( maybe their birthday does fall in that period) in the program
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Post by momto4 on Aug 19, 2008 17:04:57 GMT -5
Day cares are much better equipped for nap time. There will be no "nap time" for ADK during or after school. One downside with the Y program (IMO), is that all of the ages are together in one area, daycares split the kids up. Doctorwho - no 4 year olds are in ADK (unless their b-day is between 8/25 - 9/1). The kids are 5-6. I'm an advocate of ADK, but I do see this as a negative, as well. I can tell you there is a 4 year old ( maybe their birthday does fall in that period) in the program I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that a child has to be 5 by Sept. 1 to enroll in kindergarten, but could possibly enroll in first grade if they have previously attended a year of private kindergarten. It's a long day in any case and all day K buffered by daycare before & after is not like being in daycare all day. But much cheaper for the parents!
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Post by doctorwho on Aug 19, 2008 17:10:14 GMT -5
I can tell you there is a 4 year old ( maybe their birthday does fall in that period) in the program I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that a child has to be 5 by Sept. 1 to enroll in kindergarten, but could possibly enroll in first grade if they have previously attended a year of private kindergarten. It's a long day in any case and all day K buffered by daycare before & after is not like being in daycare all day. But much cheaper for the parents! I am sure that is it - B-day before Sept 1- but any whooo - it's a long day for some very young kids. Not judging anyone or ADK - just stating a fact.
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Post by eb204 on Aug 19, 2008 18:30:14 GMT -5
Did you get this information from somewhere, or is just your opinion? Opinion backed by observation. Why, do you have data to the contrary? Added: Everyone has their own threshold of 'how much is too much' and I put forth that a kid who stays in the same building for the majority of their awake hours will have a higher probability of beginning to dislike it and 'get sick of it' sooner than one who does not simply because of prolonged exposure time. I think it depends on the child. Some kids are more prone to liking school and others are more prone to have an aversion to it. My daughter was ready for Kindergarten when she was about 4 1/2, both developmentally and psychologically. She would have loved to have gone to Kindergarten then, but was stuck with 4 day/week preschool. When she got to K, she really wanted to go all day because she loves to learn. She loves school even now and would actually prefer all year round school. She's just naturally more drawn to school. Her brother, OTOH,, is completely different (and for different reasons). I'm not sure being in the same environment would automatically make them sick of it solely based on that. I'd be more inclined to say that a certain teacher can have more influence on the child's interest in school, not the school day itself. Of course, I have no data to support that, just my own observations, as well.
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Post by Arch on Aug 19, 2008 20:41:17 GMT -5
Opinion backed by observation. Why, do you have data to the contrary? Added: Everyone has their own threshold of 'how much is too much' and I put forth that a kid who stays in the same building for the majority of their awake hours will have a higher probability of beginning to dislike it and 'get sick of it' sooner than one who does not simply because of prolonged exposure time. I think it depends on the child. Some kids are more prone to liking school and others are more prone to have an aversion to it. My daughter was ready for Kindergarten when she was about 4 1/2, both developmentally and psychologically. She would have loved to have gone to Kindergarten then, but was stuck with 4 day/week preschool. When she got to K, she really wanted to go all day because she loves to learn. She loves school even now and would actually prefer all year round school. She's just naturally more drawn to school. Her brother, OTOH,, is completely different (and for different reasons). I'm not sure being in the same environment would automatically make them sick of it solely based on that. I'd be more inclined to say that a certain teacher can have more influence on the child's interest in school, not the school day itself. Of course, I have no data to support that, just my own observations, as well. I don't believe I said it would automatically make one sick of it. Some people get 'cabin fever' sooner than others and some will not get sick of it at all. I've met some kids who would rather stay at school because home is, well, perhaps not as kind... However, for those that have a finite limit, there is a higher chance of reaching that limit the more time that is spent there. That's just the way it works out. Have you ever met someone you can take only in small doses? Now, would you like to spend 2/3 of your awake time with them 5 days a week? Why not? For some, spending 9 of their 14 awake hours (2/3rd of their day) 5 days a week in the same school building is too much.. for other's it's ok.
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Post by warriorpride on Aug 19, 2008 21:10:51 GMT -5
Did you get this information from somewhere, or is just your opinion? Opinion backed by observation. Why, do you have data to the contrary? Added: Everyone has their own threshold of 'how much is too much' and I put forth that a kid who stays in the same building for the majority of their awake hours will have a higher probability of beginning to dislike it and 'get sick of it' sooner than one who does not simply because of prolonged exposure time. You stated in a way that made it seem like a well-known or well-documented fact. A simple preface of "I think that..." would have made it clear, IMO. The reason I ask is that I'd like to think that this was taken into account and part of any data that shows an overall benefit of ADK. Having had kids in the before- and after-school Y program, I'd say that it's not particularly structured, and more like recess, plus possibly some arts & crafts. Given that this is all in the gym, multi-purpose room, and on the playground, it's pretty different from sitting in a classroom, so I don't see boredom coming into play. But, as others have mentioned, the lack of nap/rest time may become an issue, and may be something that the Y program needs to look at, with addition of the K-age group.
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