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Post by steckdad on Aug 19, 2008 21:36:36 GMT -5
meet the teacher is tomorrow at steck.....the little one is excited.
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Post by Arch on Aug 19, 2008 23:15:10 GMT -5
Opinion backed by observation. Why, do you have data to the contrary? Added: Everyone has their own threshold of 'how much is too much' and I put forth that a kid who stays in the same building for the majority of their awake hours will have a higher probability of beginning to dislike it and 'get sick of it' sooner than one who does not simply because of prolonged exposure time. You stated in a way that made it seem like a well-known or well-documented fact. A simple preface of "I think that..." would have made it clear, IMO. The reason I ask is that I'd like to think that this was taken into account and part of any data that shows an overall benefit of ADK. Having had kids in the before- and after-school Y program, I'd say that it's not particularly structured, and more like recess, plus possibly some arts & crafts. Given that this is all in the gym, multi-purpose room, and on the playground, it's pretty different from sitting in a classroom, so I don't see boredom coming into play. But, as others have mentioned, the lack of nap/rest time may become an issue, and may be something that the Y program needs to look at, with addition of the K-age group. You may have interpreted it that way but I don't believe I said "Studies suggest" or "The data shows". I even went on to further explain the statement w/ more clarification... so if you still misunderstand... *shrug* Added: IMO, you seem to doubt anything I post anyway so I'm not sure why this one fell under the interpretation of a 'well-documented fact' at all. I saw plenty of boredom coming into play at Watts when I was over there for many after school things the past years. The kids just wanted Mom and/or Dad.
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Post by warriorpride on Aug 20, 2008 7:07:39 GMT -5
You stated in a way that made it seem like a well-known or well-documented fact. A simple preface of "I think that..." would have made it clear, IMO. The reason I ask is that I'd like to think that this was taken into account and part of any data that shows an overall benefit of ADK. Having had kids in the before- and after-school Y program, I'd say that it's not particularly structured, and more like recess, plus possibly some arts & crafts. Given that this is all in the gym, multi-purpose room, and on the playground, it's pretty different from sitting in a classroom, so I don't see boredom coming into play. But, as others have mentioned, the lack of nap/rest time may become an issue, and may be something that the Y program needs to look at, with addition of the K-age group. You may have interpreted it that way but I don't believe I said "Studies suggest" or "The data shows". I even went on to further explain the statement w/ more clarification... so if you still misunderstand... *shrug* Added: IMO, you seem to doubt anything I post anyway so I'm not sure why this one fell under the interpretation of a 'well-documented fact' at all. I saw plenty of boredom coming into play at Watts when I was over there for many after school things the past years. The kids just wanted Mom and/or Dad. No, I don't doubt everything you say - actually I think you're a smart guy - a lot smarter than me. I may not agree with many of your opinions, but that's ok, I think. But, your said "The unfortunate side effect is that there is a high probability it can make them 'sick of school' at a very early age. ". To me, by saying "there is a high probability" does not imply an opinion, rather, it implies that there is data to back up the "high probability". Again, I wanted to see if you had some data that might conflict with the benefits of ADK that the SD is touting - in the past you've pointed us to plenty of sources of information, so I thought you might have a reference to back up the "high probability" that you stated. And, btw, the boredom and the just-wanting-mom-and-dad exists at day care centers, too.
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Post by JWH on Aug 20, 2008 7:32:38 GMT -5
ADK, combined with before and after care is quite a long time for a young child to be away from home.
How many of us spent 10+ hours away from Mom/Dad when we were 5-6-7 yrs old?
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Post by gatormom on Aug 20, 2008 7:46:56 GMT -5
ADK, combined with before and after care is quite a long time for a young child to be away from home. How many of us spent 10+ hours away from Mom/Dad when we were 5-6-7 yrs old? This is not a judgment but it seems that parents are signing their children up for this, a choice. I would guess that economics might be playing a role here. If parents work, they need daycare and this is probably very economical. Again no judgments. Too many people need their jobs to make ends meet.
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Post by asmodeus on Aug 20, 2008 8:06:15 GMT -5
In some cases, yes.
But in many other cases, parents have chosen the two-income lifestyle over the traditional stay-at-home parenting choice. I'm not criticizing this choice whatsoever, but let's not paint it as a choice between day care and putting food on the table.
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Post by JWH on Aug 20, 2008 8:26:53 GMT -5
In some cases, yes. But in many other cases, parents have chosen the two-income lifestyle over the traditional stay-at-home parenting choice. I'm not criticizing this choice whatsoever, but let's not paint it as a choice between day care and putting food on the table. You betcha. I've got friends and neighbors that justify it this way. For many (most?) it's a choice. Granted, there are some people that have a house/lifestyle that is much higher than others, and might require a double income. However, when you compare the additional taxes paid on the 2nd income, add on the childcare costs, it can be quite interesting. It was for us several years ago when my wife decided to stay at home.
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Post by specialneedsmom on Aug 20, 2008 8:27:46 GMT -5
From what I have observed most of the kids that participated in ADK last year loved the idea of staying at school the whole day. They like eating lunch in the cafeteria and being "big kids". Sadly, even though I consider the food to be awful, most of them love it and get their little batteries charged and are ready for more school. It's the adults that burn out, not the kids. It is a long time to be away from mom and dad, but in the long run, IMO, they are better off.
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Post by Arch on Aug 20, 2008 9:05:29 GMT -5
And, btw, the boredom and the just-wanting-mom-and-dad exists at day care centers, too. Yes, it does.. but it's a change of location and that boredom/wanting mom&dad at the end of the day does not have the location association w/ 'school'.
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Post by eb204 on Aug 20, 2008 21:50:58 GMT -5
And, btw, the boredom and the just-wanting-mom-and-dad exists at day care centers, too. Yes, it does.. but it's a change of location and that boredom/wanting mom&dad at the end of the day does not have the location association w/ 'school'. I've also heard from parents whose kids who are a product of the day care system complain that they can't leave their kids with a sitter or that it is very difficult to leave them with someone for a night out. Perhaps these kids are also sick of other care providers in general and simply want Mom and Dad to stay at home with them. Since my kids weren't in daycare, they relish the opportunity to have sitters come over and they get to be rid of Mom and Dad for a while. I still think most of it depends on the child/children themselves, though, because there are just as many kids in daycare that don't mind if Mom/Dad go out, I'm sure.
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