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Post by wvhsparent on May 8, 2008 8:33:57 GMT -5
While I do not see boundaries as an option for mediation. I would like to see them find a way to move Watts to WVHS......I could see where the northern parts of McCarty and Steck could go North. IIRC parts would still like to go to Granger anyway (Steck does now) so it's not like the travel HS will be that much more than what they are doing now to MS.
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Post by capecod on May 8, 2008 8:37:12 GMT -5
capecod...that IMHO is a personal attack on another poster. 1st and only warning..... ______________ Well I see how this board works. If someone doesn't agree with you and they threaten children and cause rife with another subdivision it is okay in your book. Well not mine and I don't even live in TG. I am sick of people on this board continually bashing. If you want to bash I can go head to head with the best of them. It was a threat as far as I am concerned "children taking the brunt of it at WVHS!" That poster is the one you should ban.
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Post by capecod on May 8, 2008 8:39:45 GMT -5
Capecod, take a chill pill and re-read. There are no threats in the above post. There is not one person on this board that doesn't care about all the children. ****************** I am not taking a chill pill. You go back and re-read it. Children taking the brunt of it. Leave the kids out of it and move on.
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Post by gatormom on May 8, 2008 8:49:04 GMT -5
Capecod, take a chill pill and re-read. There are no threats in the above post. There is not one person on this board that doesn't care about all the children. ****************** I am not taking a chill pill. You go back and re-read it. Children taking the brunt of it. Leave the kids out of it and move on. Read the entire quote capecod. For heaven's sakes, there was no threat and yes, take a chill pill.
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Post by eb204 on May 8, 2008 8:53:05 GMT -5
capecod...that IMHO is a personal attack on another poster. 1st and only warning..... ______________ Well I see how this board works. If someone doesn't agree with you and they threaten children and cause rife with another subdivision it is okay in your book. Well not mine and I don't even live in TG. I am sick of people on this board continually bashing. If you want to bash I can go head to head with the best of them. It was a threat as far as I am concerned "children taking the brunt of it at WVHS!" That poster is the one you should ban. "I am sick of people on this board continually bashing". Capecod, this was exactly MY point in posting. WEWarrior's item #7 of his/her post said that "everyone will still hate TG". I vehemently oppose his/her statement. It is a blanket statement, and one that, if everyone were to agree with, becomes a problem of the children, unfortunately. As the kids go about making new friends and it comes up that they live in TG, I would hate to see the parents form an opinion of the CHILD based on their dislike for TG in general. Again, the parents of that child are probably very likeable people and the child is a wonderful kid, too. But there will be some in this district that will equate TG with "bullies", if you will. That's not fair to the children who live in TG. If anything, I was sticking up for the children in TG, not threatening them! How or why you interpreted it that way is beyond me. My response to McLovin was in agreement that WEWarrior's comments were out of line. McLovin has been one of my more vocal opponents on some issues and I don't even think she took it out of context the way you did. I was supporting her in her comments and you just unleashed on me. Very unfair and uncalled for. Going "head to head" is just fine on this board, and opposing viewpoints are welcome. Your misinterpretation and consequent personal attack were way out of line. You can respectfully disagree, but it's obvious you'd rather go a different route in order to express your viewpoint. We'll wait to see where it gets you.
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Post by eb204 on May 8, 2008 8:56:10 GMT -5
Capecod, take a chill pill and re-read. There are no threats in the above post. There is not one person on this board that doesn't care about all the children. ****************** I am not taking a chill pill. You go back and re-read it. Children taking the brunt of it. Leave the kids out of it and move on. "Leave the kids out of it and move on." MY point exactly. Ironically, we actually agree CapeCod.
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Post by arc on May 8, 2008 9:07:50 GMT -5
I can't imagine what would happen if they change Fry to NV. That would get everyone in an uproar. What about poor Watts and WE? Just throw them under the bus? Would there be other lawsuits to follow? They have said over and over that it is not about boundaries. That would really make them look foolish and selfish, IMO. But maybe they don't care about that. I would drop dead if the SB agreed to that. I just see that as an unending can of worms if they started picking at that old scab. But it would be very telling if NSFOC asked for that in mediation. ETA: I actually was thinking maybe they would ask for certain people to resign. Probably wouldn't help their cause though unless they got to pick the new replacements. I'm curious about one thing you said. Why "poor White Eagle?" Watts for certain is in a difficult position with their travel time. I would say "poor Owen West" before White Eagle. They're right down the road from WV. Knowing you, I'm quite sure you don't mean that White Eagle has to suffer going to a less than adequate school, but that's how your post seems to read.
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Post by WeNeed3 on May 8, 2008 9:13:49 GMT -5
I can't imagine what would happen if they change Fry to NV. That would get everyone in an uproar. What about poor Watts and WE? Just throw them under the bus? Would there be other lawsuits to follow? They have said over and over that it is not about boundaries. That would really make them look foolish and selfish, IMO. But maybe they don't care about that. I would drop dead if the SB agreed to that. I just see that as an unending can of worms if they started picking at that old scab. But it would be very telling if NSFOC asked for that in mediation. ETA: I actually was thinking maybe they would ask for certain people to resign. Probably wouldn't help their cause though unless they got to pick the new replacements. I'm curious about one thing you said. Why "poor White Eagle?" Watts for certain is in a difficult position with their travel time. I would say "poor Owen West" before White Eagle. They're right down the road from WV. Knowing you, I'm quite sure you don't mean that White Eagle has to suffer going to a less than adequate school, but that's how your post seems to read. You are right, arc. Poor Owen West. They would get thrown under the bus again. I did that "joined at the hip thing" about WE and TG which I shouldn't. But there probably are some NSFOC supporters in WE that wouldn't be happy if just TG was taken care of. There are many subdivisions that feel they got the shaft so I am sure I could name others as well. The point is I can't believe the SB would address only the TG issue. That, IMO, is one of the least problematic commutes. I would rather see them fix the middle school situation for both WE and Fry and the Watts commute. The Fry commute at BB vs. WV is the same. ETA: Again, there is so much to fix with splits at ES and MS...where do you draw the line? I would be very disappointed if they rewarded these people by fixing their situation while the less vocal continue to get thrown under the bus.
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Post by arc on May 8, 2008 10:00:23 GMT -5
I'm curious about one thing you said. Why "poor White Eagle?" Watts for certain is in a difficult position with their travel time. I would say "poor Owen West" before White Eagle. They're right down the road from WV. Knowing you, I'm quite sure you don't mean that White Eagle has to suffer going to a less than adequate school, but that's how your post seems to read. You are right, arc. Poor Owen West. They would get thrown under the bus again. I did that "joined at the hip thing" about WE and TG which I shouldn't. But there probably are some NSFOC supporters in WE that wouldn't be happy if just TG was taken care of. There are many subdivisions that feel they got the shaft so I am sure I could name others as well. The point is I can't believe the SB would address only the TG issue. That, IMO, is one of the least problematic commutes. I would rather see them fix the middle school situation for both WE and Fry and the Watts commute. The Fry commute at BB vs. WV is the same. ETA: Again, there is so much to fix with splits at ES and MS...where do you draw the line? I would be very disappointed if they rewarded these people by fixing their situation while the less vocal continue to get thrown under the bus. I knew that wasn't what you meant; thanks for clarifying. I don't think Fry is going anywhere other than WV. I don't see the SB changing their minds on that one. And certainly, Welch isn't going anywhere other than NV. They're walkers. I am surprised that Welch's boundaries didn't get addressed in all of this, but they do have an addition and their enrollment did go down last year. I suppose they can keep their widespread draw successfully. I am in 100% agreement that Scullen should be monitored carefully. They are the biggest of the MSs and even with taking out WE, they will be large. It is too bad there wasn't a way found to keep WE and Fry together at Scullen so at least they would have another school going on to WV with Fry....but it's a huge MS and someone had to go......given their location it made sense to take out WE. The south is very populated....hard to make a good mix given the geography. You're right, there is no good way to make everyone happy. Thank you to everyone on the board today who stood up for TG. Thank you for remembering there are almost 1000 homes there
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Post by WeNeed3 on May 8, 2008 10:03:25 GMT -5
It would be nice for everyone to cut the TG people a break. That will be one step toward healing the district. Punishing 1000 for the views of a few hundred is not fair.
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Post by WeNeed3 on May 8, 2008 10:20:26 GMT -5
In terms of mediation and keeping with the lawsuit, do you think the NSFOC folks would want negotiations to be tried again for BB, maybe a smaller parcel like the SB wanted to do and BB rejected it?
With the purchase of the Eola land, I just can't see this being a viable option. Of course, with the purchase of the Eola land, I can't see adding onto NV a viable option either. I just don't know where these people are trying to go here, other than to win and have the district sitting around with an empty parcel of land up north.
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Post by arc on May 8, 2008 10:28:11 GMT -5
In terms of mediation and keeping with the lawsuit, do you think the NSFOC folks would want negotiations to be tried again for BB, maybe a smaller parcel like the SB wanted to do and BB rejected it? With the purchase of the Eola land, I just can't see this being a viable option. Of course, with the purchase of the Eola land, I can't see adding onto NV a viable option either. I just don't know where these people are trying to go here, other than to win and have the district sitting around with an empty parcel of land up north. I am assuming that the NSFOC would like there to be a re-vote of the referendum or to build upon BB. I'm not sure? I don't see any common ground for mediation?
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Post by wvhsparent on May 8, 2008 10:35:43 GMT -5
In terms of mediation and keeping with the lawsuit, do you think the NSFOC folks would want negotiations to be tried again for BB, maybe a smaller parcel like the SB wanted to do and BB rejected it? With the purchase of the Eola land, I just can't see this being a viable option. Of course, with the purchase of the Eola land, I can't see adding onto NV a viable option either. I just don't know where these people are trying to go here, other than to win and have the district sitting around with an empty parcel of land up north. Based on activity @ Eola....I would surmise that this is not even an option....Short of BB donating the land......
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Post by we4 on May 8, 2008 10:45:19 GMT -5
I can't imagine what would happen if they change Fry to NV. That would get everyone in an uproar. What about poor Watts and WE? Just throw them under the bus? Would there be other lawsuits to follow? They have said over and over that it is not about boundaries. That would really make them look foolish and selfish, IMO. But maybe they don't care about that. I would drop dead if the SB agreed to that. I just see that as an unending can of worms if they started picking at that old scab. But it would be very telling if NSFOC asked for that in mediation. ETA: I actually was thinking maybe they would ask for certain people to resign. Probably wouldn't help their cause though unless they got to pick the new replacements. I'm curious about one thing you said. Why "poor White Eagle?" Watts for certain is in a difficult position with their travel time. I would say "poor Owen West" before White Eagle. They're right down the road from WV. Knowing you, I'm quite sure you don't mean that White Eagle has to suffer going to a less than adequate school, but that's how your post seems to read. Being from WE I took it as meaning the WE has been asked (or told) that they are changing both MS and HS. After going to the Scullen incoming 6th grader parent orientation last night, I can understand the stress that some have felt about changing schools. Especially when some of the teachers were saying what a great school Scullen is and there is so much to be involved in during the ms years.
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Post by arc on May 8, 2008 11:58:53 GMT -5
I'm curious about one thing you said. Why "poor White Eagle?" Watts for certain is in a difficult position with their travel time. I would say "poor Owen West" before White Eagle. They're right down the road from WV. Knowing you, I'm quite sure you don't mean that White Eagle has to suffer going to a less than adequate school, but that's how your post seems to read. Being from WE I took it as meaning the WE has been asked (or told) that they are changing both MS and HS. After going to the Scullen incoming 6th grader parent orientation last night, I can understand the stress that some have felt about changing schools. Especially when some of the teachers were saying what a great school Scullen is and there is so much to be involved in during the ms years. You're right. Thank you for giving me a chance to stand in your shoes. Having two changes would indeed be a lot to ask.
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