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Post by doctorwho on Jun 17, 2008 15:24:40 GMT -5
There was a time when every person in the district drove to WV - even people in Bolingbrook. We are done discussing this, please! Thanks for taking one for the team. When that happened, what was the district budget and subsequent hit to the taxpayers? A lot less, I would imagine and where else were they going to go? I didn't watch cable TV as a kid either - but then it didn't exist and I didn't pay for it ... same thing
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Post by sushi on Jun 17, 2008 15:39:28 GMT -5
Most people were MORE disgusted with the lawsuit than they were with the board, IMO. Ticked at the board, yes, but thought the lawsuit was BS.
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Post by sushi on Jun 17, 2008 15:43:50 GMT -5
Doc and Arch, Thanks for taking one for the team.
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 17, 2008 15:43:59 GMT -5
Well, the numbers are not likely on your side. Remember, 42% of the voters didn't want the 3rd HS at all. And of the 58% that did, you have to think that many supported NSFOC in spirit if not financially. many? wrong!
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Post by asmodeus on Jun 17, 2008 15:51:33 GMT -5
For those who were "disgusted" with the lawsuit, I have a question. Will you feel the same way about any lawsuits filed against the City of Chicago in trying to build the Childrens Museum in Grant Park? Let's look at the parallels:
The construction of the CCM, like MVHS, will be hugely expensive but arguably necessary and rewarding.
The buildings will be permanent -- not likely be moved within a few decades at the least.
The approval for the site was given by elected officials.
Given those facts, would you be "disgusted" by those who will feel a lawsuit is the only hope for preventing a permanent mistake in Grant Park? Do Chicago (and Suburban) residents have to accept the rulings of possibly corrupt politicans as the final word, even when those decisions will outlast them?
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Post by asmodeus on Jun 17, 2008 15:56:39 GMT -5
I think you can take the number who donate money and multiply it by ten (or more) for the number sympathetic to any given cause. (And for the record, I did not donate.)
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 17, 2008 16:03:41 GMT -5
For those who were "disgusted" with the lawsuit, I have a question. Will you feel the same way about any lawsuits filed against the City of Chicago in trying to build the Childrens Museum in Grant Park? Let's look at the parallels: The construction of the CCM, like MVHS, will be hugely expensive but arguably necessary and rewarding. The buildings will be permanent -- not likely be moved within a few decades at the least. The approval for the site was given by elected officials. Given those facts, would you be "disgusted" by those who will feel a lawsuit is the only hope for preventing a permanent mistake in Grant Park? Do Chicago (and Suburban) residents have to accept the rulings of possibly corrupt politicans as the final word, even when those decisions will outlast them? you have drawn some unfair twisted parallels, which include your own agenda - I tend to look at each issue at its own face value
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Post by eb204 on Jun 17, 2008 16:04:46 GMT -5
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 17, 2008 16:06:39 GMT -5
I think you can take the number who donate money and multiply it by ten (or more) for the number sympathetic to any given cause. (And for the record, I did not donate.) i disagree - prove it
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Post by eb204 on Jun 17, 2008 16:11:31 GMT -5
Well, the numbers are not likely on your side. Remember, 42% of the voters didn't want the 3rd HS at all. And of the 58% that did, you have to think that many supported NSFOC in spirit if not financially. Again, IYHO, you mean. 58% of the voters wanted a 3rd HS. Period. I don't think 300 or so people constitute the "many" that supported the NSFOC. Even if you count the people who signed up on the website "supporters", that does not constitute "many", IMO. It should also be noted that several of those supporters only signed up for NSFOC crap to keep an eye on what kinds of stuff they'd pull out of their hat next. I was one of them and believe me I didn't support them in the least.
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Post by eb204 on Jun 17, 2008 16:15:04 GMT -5
I know I was frequenting the liquor store aisles while everything was in limbo. As much as I really do agree with Joni and it is time to move on, I will say that it is too bad this is a bittersweet victory. So many parents want what is "best" for their kids and are unwilling to budge an iota from their ideal scenario. Then there are the residents of this district (ie: Ashwood Park, Owen West, Gombert etc) who don't like their commutes and/or the splits and moved on a long time ago. Kudos to them. I certainly hope those who are having trouble accepting the fate that the new school has put them in will learn to look on the bright side for the sake of their children. No, you don't have to like it and sit down and shut up like you keep saying we are all saying to you. But I hope for the sake of your kids, you stop dwelling on this. This should be an exciting time for our district and many many many residents are happy that this is happening. I would hope everyone can try to make it a positive experience for the children. Our ideal scenario ? Really ? Maybe this is the misconception. NV and Gregory are the closest schools MS & HS respectively. If it absolute shortest commutes period - that would be it. Asking for 2nd closest HS and staying at 3rd closest MS is hardly an ideal scenario. That's called not willing to budge ? I'm sorry, I couldn't make it a positive experience for my child - too many hits - and others leaving here have decided they can't either. If that makes us less than ideal 204 parents - so be it. As of today I am a 204 taxpayer and voter, not parent - that decision was made for me. btw- this lousy boundary decision broke my daughters heart -first, then I have dwelled on it, not the other way around. Remember most of us worked very hard for the 3rd school also - little did we know the hit this area would take. So bittersweet is the right word - from my point of view. We've heard this before, many times over. We get it. But you've heard that one before too.
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Post by player on Jun 17, 2008 16:18:18 GMT -5
...... NV and Gregory are the closest schools MS & HS respectively. If it absolute shortest commutes period - that would be it. Asking for 2nd closest HS and staying at 3rd closest MS is hardly an ideal scenario. ..... Ok. I was wondering how many posts would pass in a thread before Dr. Who brings up boundaries. This one is after 9 posts. I think I will keep score - beats the heck out of reading the same thing over and over again. The last thread was locked because of this just this morning, and here we go again! Cheers!
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 17, 2008 16:26:57 GMT -5
...... NV and Gregory are the closest schools MS & HS respectively. If it absolute shortest commutes period - that would be it. Asking for 2nd closest HS and staying at 3rd closest MS is hardly an ideal scenario. ..... Ok. I was wondering how many posts would pass in a thread before Dr. Who brings up boundaries. This one is after 9 posts. I think I will keep score - beats the heck out of reading the same thing over and over again. The last thread was locked because of this just this morning, and here we go again! Cheers! yep, and I was the only one talking boundaries in it right ? and you added what to this thread ? also I was responding to a post where people are alluding to the fact those of us unhappy with our scenario want a perfect situation without compromise. I thought it someone put forth an statement each person had the right to comment on it -is that now how 'your ' board works ? Wasn't aware you made the rules. But hey, feel free to take another personal shot any time you want - amazing that is allowed.
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Post by player on Jun 17, 2008 16:29:01 GMT -5
Actually, I think I will count the occurences of the word "boundary" or variants and post a running total in addition. Then we can construct a correlation matrix of whether it has anything to do with the topic in the thread. Whoohooo!
Cheers.
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 17, 2008 16:29:17 GMT -5
Our ideal scenario ? Really ? Maybe this is the misconception. NV and Gregory are the closest schools MS & HS respectively. If it absolute shortest commutes period - that would be it. Asking for 2nd closest HS and staying at 3rd closest MS is hardly an ideal scenario. That's called not willing to budge ? I'm sorry, I couldn't make it a positive experience for my child - too many hits - and others leaving here have decided they can't either. If that makes us less than ideal 204 parents - so be it. As of today I am a 204 taxpayer and voter, not parent - that decision was made for me. btw- this lousy boundary decision broke my daughters heart -first, then I have dwelled on it, not the other way around. Remember most of us worked very hard for the 3rd school also - little did we know the hit this area would take. So bittersweet is the right word - from my point of view. We've heard this before, many times over. We get it. But you've heard that one before too. again, exactly what are the rules here - you can allude to the fact that we want a perfect boundary scenario ( when in fact we don't) - but no one can comment on it ? Sorry, please explain the rules to me again. If you don't want a response in a subject - don't make the false comment.
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