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Post by warriorpride on Oct 8, 2008 14:10:00 GMT -5
Lots of people knew that this was the plan, voted Yes, and didn't argue about the transition plan. some quick searching: Woodstock North: opened with sophmores & freshman Plainfield North: ditto Oswego East: ditto NV: ditto Does that make it right. I could care less what the other districts did. These kids already attached to their schools, with sports, activities ect. I don't care who and where I don't think it is right. It's funny that the SB/SD gets ripped when they don't do things in a tried & true way, yet even when they do, they get ripped by some. Attached? Read this: www.nwherald.com/articles/2008/08/25/news/local/doc48abe34d2e899670128503.txtTo quote the end of the article (a student that opened Woodstock North as a sophmore this year):
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Post by concerned on Oct 8, 2008 14:11:43 GMT -5
Is that 600 fresh and sophs? 3888-600= 3288+250=3538.
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Post by concerned on Oct 8, 2008 14:12:43 GMT -5
Does that make it right. I could care less what the other districts did. These kids already attached to their schools, with sports, activities ect. I don't care who and where I don't think it is right. It's funny that the SB/SD gets ripped when they don't do things in a tried & true way, yet even when they do, they get ripped by some. Attached? Read this: www.nwherald.com/articles/2008/08/25/news/local/doc48abe34d2e899670128503.txtTo quote the end of the article (a student that opened Woodstock North as a sophmore this year): I am sure you can also find a child who feels the other way. i just don't have time to dig and find it.
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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 8, 2008 14:17:57 GMT -5
Lots of people knew that this was the plan, voted Yes, and didn't argue about the transition plan. some quick searching: Woodstock North: opened with sophmores & freshman Plainfield North: ditto Oswego East: ditto NV: ditto Does that make it right. I could care less what the other districts did. These kids already attached to their schools, with sports, activities ect. I don't care who and where I don't think it is right. Like I previously stated they determined that the kids are less "attached" to their schools than you think due to being in a separate building.
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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 8, 2008 14:20:12 GMT -5
Is that 600 fresh and sophs? 3888-600= 3288+250=3538. If the numbers are your hangup.....contact someone over at the Admin Bldg. I am sure they would be more than happy to provide you with their numbers.
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Post by momto4 on Oct 8, 2008 14:23:52 GMT -5
The 1300 initial enrollment at MV are students who will be at MV instead of WV next fall. As I will still have a child at WV next year I am very glad that the math works out and there should be at most 3100 in WV Green.
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Post by warriorpride on Oct 8, 2008 14:32:40 GMT -5
Is that 600 fresh and sophs? 3888-600= 3288+250=3538. Not sure where the 3888 came from, I thought it was 3700. Then the current Sr class will graduate (they won't be there next Fall), and the incoming freshman class next Fall will be smaller than the Srs that left.
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Post by sardines on Oct 8, 2008 14:47:30 GMT -5
Also if there won't be a crowding issue at WV, then why has this subject been brought up at SB meetings? How many kids are leaving WV to MV? If there are only 250 kids moving in and WV is already around 3800 kids. I don't see how WV won't be crowded next year when the freshmen center will be closed. Even if 500 or 600 kids leave that leaves WV at 3100 to 3200 then add the NV kids entering and your at around 3500. The math that's been stated is that there will be about 3100 total after 600 freshman move to MV, about 250 move to WV from NV and the incoming freshman class is much smaller, based on the new boundaries. Warriorpride, I have the same numbers you do for WV next year from the recent Metea meeting. My opinion is that what some of these folks in this situation are basically asking (not what the LTE author was asking though) is that only the 250 kids from the NV class of 2012 slated to transfer, remain at the NV main building next year with the rest of their class. I wonder what the class numbers of the current NV class of 2012 and 2009 are in comparison? Are they vastly different? I could be totally wrong, but I think what some feel is that the main NV building next year would basically remain as it is today population wise. Are the current people okay with that at NV? I don't know. Everything else about the plan would still proceed. The WV class of 2012 would still send 660 to MV as Sophomores leaving about 500 to move into WV main (instead of 750 with the NV group), the WV Gold would still become the middle school, and the new boundaries would go into effect in regard to the three high schools for the entering freshman class of 2013. In my opinion, 250 won't make a difference at WV one way or the other. 3100 is doable and so is 2850. Will it put NV main over the top? I don't have the numbers. Honestly, though, I would not have a problem with this but there may be folks currently at NV that would. They may be ready to relieve the overcrowding....even if it is a pretty small number initially. Just my thoughts. Addendum: I just read a post on the blue board about this exact topic (I honestly did not read it before my post here...if I had, my number question would have been answered for me ) The class of 2012 has 153 more students than the class of 2009 at NV according to the post.
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Post by gatordog on Oct 8, 2008 15:04:55 GMT -5
Is that 600 fresh and sophs? 3888-600= 3288+250=3538. If the numbers are your hangup.....contact someone over at the Admin Bldg. I am sure they would be more than happy to provide you with their numbers. I would suggest contact Dr Keller directly. He stood up and gave the 3100 number. Mrs Marchiando referred to him as the one working the numbers for WV. By the way (Warriorpride was asking about concerned numbers): brochure from last night stated WV enrollment of 3888. Srs 896, Jrs 940, Soph 953, and Fr 1099.
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Post by we4 on Oct 8, 2008 15:16:41 GMT -5
I cannot comment about the Class of 2012 because my kids are still early MS and younger. I think this should be considered. I read a few things that I really must comment on though. Someone had said it's the way the school districts do it (move fresh/soph). Well, this could be the time to try something new and maybe it will work out better. We have always had 1/2 day K and now we have ADK. We tried something new. I have also read that leaving the 2012 kids where they are puts only freshman at MV. Would that really be any different then a freshman campus? I guess I really never got the moving two classes at once thing, but maybe that's just me.
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Post by gatordog on Oct 8, 2008 15:17:52 GMT -5
.... My opinion is that what some of these folks in this situation are basically asking (not what the LTE author was asking though) is that only the 250 kids from the NV class of 2012 slated to transfer, remain at the NV main building next year with the rest of their class. OK sardines, I see your suggestion here. [ED. Rather your read of other's suggestion]. Only move sophs to MV to get it started. That would be strange. First, not moving sophs to the fully functional, fully built, full varsity school (WV) seems contrary to the stated concerns for the MV sophmores. Doesnt solve whatsoever the legitimate complaints of those in the Class of 2012 who will be at a not-fully complete school! Mainly though, that would have a lot of administrative problems. For one, NV blue would not move down in enrollment. That would mean proportionately no staff could move to MV for 2009-10. That doesnt seem like a good idea. Next, look what that would do to graduating class size at WV. Class of 2010=940, Class of 2011=953, Class of 2012=500, Class of 2013=~700. How do you efficiently plan staffing, course offerrings, scheduling, building usage for that scenario? I dont like that idea at all. From admin and efficiency point of view, I think we need to get all three HS's to their planned enrollment, as soon as we reasonably can.
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Post by warriorpride on Oct 8, 2008 15:52:39 GMT -5
I cannot comment about the Class of 2012 because my kids are still early MS and younger. I think this should be considered. I read a few things that I really must comment on though. Someone had said it's the way the school districts do it (move fresh/soph). Well, this could be the time to try something new and maybe it will work out better. We have always had 1/2 day K and now we have ADK. We tried something new. I have also read that leaving the 2012 kids where they are puts only freshman at MV. Would that really be any different then a freshman campus? I guess I really never got the moving two classes at once thing, but maybe that's just me. the difference is that NV and WV and Scullen don't get any relief from increasing crowding and the subsequent relief then takes longer (3 more years until the sophmores work their way through to graduation) - on the MV side, you'd be opening an HS (with the financial overhead of running an HS, skeleton as it may be) for < 700 kids - and talk about isolation - no, that's not fair to the incoming MV freshman
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Post by sardines on Oct 8, 2008 15:59:36 GMT -5
.... My opinion is that what some of these folks in this situation are basically asking (not what the LTE author was asking though) is that only the 250 kids from the NV class of 2012 slated to transfer, remain at the NV main building next year with the rest of their class. OK sardines, I see your suggestion here. [ED. Rather your read of other's suggestion]. Only move sophs to MV to get it started. That would be strange. First, not moving sophs to the fully functional, fully built, full varsity school (WV) seems contrary to the stated concerns for the MV sophmores. Doesnt solve whatsoever the legitimate complaints of those in the Class of 2012 who will be at a not-fully complete school! Mainly though, that would have a lot of administrative problems. For one, NV blue would not move down in enrollment. That would mean proportionately no staff could move to MV for 2009-10. That doesnt seem like a good idea. Next, look what that would do to graduating class size at WV. Class of 2010=940, Class of 2011=953, Class of 2012=500, Class of 2013=~700. How do you efficiently plan staffing, course offerrings, scheduling, building usage for that scenario? I dont like that idea at all. From admin and efficiency point of view, I think we need to get all three HS's to their planned enrollment, as soon as we reasonably can. I see your points about creating problems with admin. logistics and efficiency with this scenario.
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Post by we4 on Oct 8, 2008 16:02:11 GMT -5
I cannot comment about the Class of 2012 because my kids are still early MS and younger. I think this should be considered. I read a few things that I really must comment on though. Someone had said it's the way the school districts do it (move fresh/soph). Well, this could be the time to try something new and maybe it will work out better. We have always had 1/2 day K and now we have ADK. We tried something new. I have also read that leaving the 2012 kids where they are puts only freshman at MV. Would that really be any different then a freshman campus? I guess I really never got the moving two classes at once thing, but maybe that's just me. the difference is that NV and WV and Scullen don't get any relief from increasing crowding and the subsequent relief then takes longer (3 more years until the sophmores work their way through to graduation) - on the MV side, you'd be opening an HS (with the financial overhead of running an HS, skeleton as it may be) for < 700 kids - and talk about isolation - no, that's not fair to the incoming MV freshman I could see the crowding at NV and WV not getting relieved, but Scullen, I don't think, has anything to do with it. I'm not saying don't open the 7th MS. All I'm saying is consider leaving current freshman where they are. Plus, if MV had a freshman center, those freshman would be isolated anyway. I don't get the graduation thing. If you are saying that MV will have it's first graduating class 4 years from it's open, so. I don't see that as important enough to make students change HS. Just my opinion. All I'm commenting on is that I think this idea has merit and should be considered.
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Post by Arwen on Oct 8, 2008 16:05:54 GMT -5
If you leave the MV sophmores at WV, then there will be 2 years without varsity sports rather than the current year. People are already upset about the diminished HS experience for the MV students in the first year. Starting with only one class will extend that to half of their HS experience. I think we would all agree on the unfairness and burden that places on the MV freshman (and it would extend the incomplete HS experience to the class of 2014 for their first year as well).
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