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Post by majorianthrax on Jan 8, 2009 16:30:54 GMT -5
Oh and people on these boards have all sorts of opinions including some that are really inflamatory. That is their right just as you have your opinion. Threatening people with libel here is as big a joke as NSFOCs lawsuit was.
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Post by newview on Jan 8, 2009 17:38:23 GMT -5
Newview I stand by that statement. I have my own source in TG in the know. And their past statements in the SB meetings speak for themselves. And libelous? Please! This is a discussion board. We have a right to question anyone who runs for the SB. Majorianthrax, Your source in TG may not be totally credible as some of your facts are incorrect. Yes, you have a right to question anyone who runs for SB, yet do you have the right to mislead the readers of this board with incorrect information? You labeled some TG residents as being members of NSFOC. Particularly, Laura Thomson, Janet Eggenberger and anyone that runs for the SB from TG during the next election (except Michelle Davis.) Is that a totally accurate statement? I think not. You stated it, now prove it!
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Post by majorianthrax on Jan 8, 2009 17:59:26 GMT -5
I think the SB meetings this last year speak for themselves and what we have all seen. And as for misleading this board try going over to the Blue Board and you will see what misleading really is. Sounds to me like you are really on edge over this.
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Post by gatormom on Jan 8, 2009 18:06:36 GMT -5
Okay Major, lets lighten this up a bit. Until we know who is running for SB, we don't need to bring any names into the discussion.
newview, understand that some do not trust those who chose to run from TG, not because they aren't good people but that many worry about motives that are not in the best interest of the entire district.
The thread is about Janet Eggenberger and her LTE. Again, her motives are as clear as they come, keep my child at Neuqua. That is not SB material, IMO.
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Jan 9, 2009 10:38:41 GMT -5
This LTE brings back very sensitive subject for many in the district. It becomes obvious that this article is an opinion based on how one person interprets a small slice of our district. I certainly would have liked to have seen the LTE address and speak of the district as a whole.
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Post by gatordog on Jan 9, 2009 11:06:08 GMT -5
Let me add (revist!) some details for JE's letter.
Its not about WV capacity. I will say it again....it not about WV capacity!
If the NV Gold Class of 2012 students dont move to WV, the cost is: 1) they, and all their classmates, would be in an overcrowed NV main campus. This bldg has 100% capacity of 3200. For the Class of '12 jr year, there would be about 3340 students here and for their sr year about 3580. 2) WV graduating class size would have a big oscillation. From ~950, down to ~500 for one yr only, then back up to ~650. How does admin handle this staffing? (taxpayers want this to be efficient) Maybe more importantly, for all the student there, does it negatively impact course offerings and their opportunities.
I have said before, it would be great if the NV Gold students could stay at NV. It really would. But there would be costs.
Ref earlier thread discussion, below:
Using current enrollments, and numbers given for who's moving not moving etc....I come up with the following. Note, i show in red the Class of 2012 if you keep some sophs at the current school as brainstormed here. In black, it shows the current plan.
WV Class of '10 = 940 Class of '11 = 953 Class of '12 = ~500 or ~650. Class of "13 = 650
NV Class of '10 = 1145 Class of '11 = 1192 Class of '12 = 1243 or ~1000 Class of "13 = 900
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Jan 9, 2009 11:19:12 GMT -5
Gatordog thanks for reposting this info.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jan 9, 2009 17:17:32 GMT -5
OK Casey is trying her hand at numbers.......... Funny thing about statistics.....if you try hard enough, you can massage the numbers to fit what you want.
Courtesy of casey from blue.....
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Post by gatordog on Jan 9, 2009 18:27:08 GMT -5
IMHO, casey's post is showing that the NV class of '12 could stay at NV. I think the bufden of proof for Casey is to show that it should stay.
Discount for now the overcrowding effects & beyond optimal capacity of NV Blue entire community for three years. Discount the WV Class size oscillation issue, a three yr effect at WV. (Though district wide thinkers must consider these)
For a moment, think only about the NV Gold Class of 2012 who are slated to move to WV.
A key point to me is WV is bigger, more square footage than NV. (three floors vs two) I have seen published full capacity numbers (bldg application form) stating WV 100% capacity is 3700.
When they move, they would be coming to WV, with peak enrollment of ~3200, thats pretty near optimal capacity. And its optimal capacity for their entire three years at this bldg. Good use of resources!
If they dont move, they would be staying at a NV Blue bldg that is at least for two yrs beyond full capacity, and pretty close to full capacity for the final one. We can argue exact numbers, maybe there is squeeze-in room, maybe COD Frontier moves enough away to eek out to full capacity number....but surely we must agree: for these three years the NV Blue bldg would not be operating at optimal size that school administrators ask for.
Just for the 250 students we are talking about, I think its in their interests, as well as the district's interests, and taxpayers too, to send them to a bldg for their HS career that is optimally using capacity.
I personally think they will find other benefits: such as going through school with a graduating class that is 30-40% smaller and coming to a place with established programs.
I understand its tough to leave behind tradition, friends, and many emotional things. I wish there was another way to best use our HS bldg capacities, to keep them from moving. But I am seeing their moving as having many benefits. For somebody to ask for NV Gold Class of '12 stay at NV, I think they need to justify the district ignoring these advantages.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jan 9, 2009 18:32:37 GMT -5
For somebody to ask for NV Gold Class of '12 stay at NV, I think they need to justify the district ignoring these advantages. I doubt they will ever do this, for obvious reasons.....
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Post by WeNeed3 on Jan 9, 2009 18:34:04 GMT -5
OK Casey is trying her hand at numbers.......... Funny thing about statistics.....if you try hard enough, you can massage the numbers to fit what you want. Courtesy of casey from blue.....Thanks parent for bringing this over as I was about to do so as well. I guess I am scratching my head over the irritation at the numbers. According to these numbers, this year, NV main has 3434 kids and we all know that is tight and getting tighter. But next year, WV is slated to have 3282 students if everyone gets moved. We also know that WV is a bigger school and can handle more students. We also know 3600 (?) at least were there and it wasn't pleasant. I just don't see where people think 3282 is anywhere near 3600. But to mess up the class sizes and use this as an excuse not to move kids? Or to say, "Hey, let's move the WV kids to MV but not the NV kids to WV?" Am I missing something? Or is it pot-stirring time again? Now, here is where my math skills get poor, so gatordog, correct me if I'm wrong. If there are 240 class of 2012 kids that casey doesn't want moved, he/she failed to put down what WV would look like if this happened. We know that NV main would be 3481 kids but wouldn't WV then be 3042....in a larger building?
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Post by gatordog on Jan 9, 2009 18:46:07 GMT -5
.... If there are 240 class of 2012 kids that casey doesn't want moved, he/she failed to put down what WV would look like if this happened. We know that NV main would be 3481 kids but wouldn't WV then be 3042....in a larger building? weneed....that is an excellentway of framing the issue. Great insight! Now....Can THAT be justified? edit: Look, I surely would be open minded to suggestions, but the burden-of-proof on justifying a change in plans has not come close to being met, IMHO.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jan 9, 2009 18:56:47 GMT -5
Just so I am clear on this too.... the class of 2012 is currently at the Gold campus, not the main campus (Blue) right? So they really don't have any "tradition" at Blue in that we are ripping them away from familiar settings and comfort which comes with being in a building for their 1st year.....
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Post by WeNeed3 on Jan 9, 2009 19:03:48 GMT -5
Let me add (revist!) some details for JE's letter. Its not about WV capacity. I will say it again....it not about WV capacity!If the NV Gold Class of 2012 students dont move to WV, the cost is: 1) they, and all their classmates, would be in an overcrowed NV main campus. This bldg has 100% capacity of 3200. For the Class of '12 jr year, there would be about 3340 students here and for their sr year about 3580. 2) WV graduating class size would have a big oscillation. From ~950, down to ~500 for one yr only, then back up to ~650. How does admin handle this staffing? (taxpayers want this to be efficient) Maybe more importantly, for all the student there, does it negatively impact course offerings and their opportunities. I have said before, it would be great if the NV Gold students could stay at NV. It really would. But there would be costs. Ref earlier thread discussion, below: Using current enrollments, and numbers given for who's moving not moving etc....I come up with the following. Note, i show in red the Class of 2012 if you keep some sophs at the current school as brainstormed here. In black, it shows the current plan. WV Class of '10 = 940 Class of '11 = 953 Class of '12 = ~500 or ~650. Class of "13 = 650 NV Class of '10 = 1145 Class of '11 = 1192 Class of '12 = 1243 or ~1000 Class of "13 = 900 Great analysis GD. I didn't realize when you kept saying it's not about WV capacity. IMO it's about the current NV class sizes-they are huge! In looking at that further, how can anyone justify the fact that it's OK for the WV Class of '12 to be 500 while the NV Class of '12 is 1243. That's just absurd.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jan 9, 2009 19:25:44 GMT -5
Should'nt WVHS 2012 be either ~500 or ~743?
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