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Post by WeNeed3 on Jan 9, 2009 19:29:55 GMT -5
Should'nt WVHS 2012 be either ~500 or ~743? Good point. Casey's numbers say at least 710. Regardless of the numbers, it boils down to this. Do you "inconvenience" 240 kids by moving them to WV or do you inconvenience 1243 kids by having a huge NV class of 2012 just so some can stay at the Main campus of which they have never been in anyway?
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Post by WeNeed3 on Jan 9, 2009 19:44:59 GMT -5
Just so I am clear on this too.... the class of 2012 is currently at the Gold campus, not the main campus (Blue) right? So they really don't have any "tradition" at Blue in that we are ripping them away from familiar settings and comfort which comes with being in a building for their 1st year..... It's all relative and depends on your views. There are many Class of '13 parents I know whose kids will be moving to WV next year and who think the Class of '12 is lucky to have had the gold campus experience. Also, there are a lot of high schools in the country that only have high school being grades 10-12 together and thus, only three years of true HS experience. Do I think our kids are losing out? No. They are getting many more advantages in smaller class sizes at WV. It may be an adjustment, but IMO they'll get over it as soon as WV kicks some NV butt in football.
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Post by gatordog on Jan 9, 2009 23:24:53 GMT -5
Should'nt WVHS 2012 be either ~500 or ~743? just to comment.....my estimate was from the earlier thread, which I belive was before we had better numbers. Such as from Principle Marchiando. (Not that it matters too much....my estimate probably was off because its tricky for us amatuers to estimate the Peterson ES component coming from Scullen) But I think we understand here: I think its the general, big picture trends that are important.
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Post by gatordog on Jan 9, 2009 23:31:58 GMT -5
Just so I am clear on this too.... the class of 2012 is currently at the Gold campus, not the main campus (Blue) right? So they really don't have any "tradition" at Blue in that we are ripping them away from familiar settings and comfort which comes with being in a building for their 1st year..... I think you have made a good point here. Sure, there are always some costs for moving students to start a school. Just like sophs moving to start NV, and the sophs moving up to MV. But the Gold campus bldg concept in some way minimizes at least the "daily hallway turns for class" familiarization "cost". (We all acknowledge that sadness has and will be felt by those leaving their current HS....both WV and NV.)
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Post by gatordog on Jan 13, 2009 16:24:27 GMT -5
Earliers in thread I threw out: WV Class of '10 = 940 Class of '11 = 953 Class of '12 = ~500 or ~650. Class of "13 = 650 and wvhsparent asked: Should'nt WVHS 2012 be either ~500 or ~743? ....I did take a peak through the other thread ("Moving 09-10 sophs compromise". My numbers are different because I made another assumption: If you have NV Gold 2012 students stay at NV, then some of MV class of 2012 can also stay at WV. (I picked the ~100 students from Owen West/Gombert East) This was to beef up the WV class size so the WV "oscillations" are less extreme. Of course the cost is the MV class first graduating class of 2012 is smaller, so MV pays a cost. I believe if you literally followed the LTE proposal and "kept the NV Gold students at NV"---and made no other changes---then WV class size oscillations would be even more extreme: WV Class of '10 = 940 Class of '11 = 953 Class of '12 = ~400 (from 650-250) Class of "13 = 650 Again, this is not "new news". I just wanted to add this here for completeness. And again, this truly points out: if you propose NV Gold class of 2012 students to stay at NV....then you better show me that you have considered the district-wide impact.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jan 13, 2009 16:53:01 GMT -5
Thanks for that GD.....
I am sure they have NOT considered the disrtict-wide impact, as that would not fit their plan...and we cannot have that!
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Jan 13, 2009 17:35:49 GMT -5
Gatordog, thanks for the added input. This type of oscillation with regard to wvhs (class of 2012) would be extreme at best.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Jan 14, 2009 20:07:53 GMT -5
IMO it's not fair for the NV sophs to stay at NV while asking the WV sophs to move to MV. I really think you either have to have everyone stay or everyone go. Seems some people are talking about numbers in letting all the sophs stay where they are at.
In looking at casey's numbers, I'm getting that WV has a current '12 class of 1071. If they all stay and no one leaves or comes, you get an additional 360 kids at WV. The class sizes would be 700 (2013) 1071 (2012) 946 (2011) and 929 (2010). That's 3646 in WV main. I don't think it's that anyone wants the sophs to switch. It's just that numbers really prevent them from staying.
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Post by wvhsparent on Jan 14, 2009 20:36:37 GMT -5
I understand their desire to keep the Sophs at their respective schools. I don't think it's as efficient to open a new school with Frosh only...I will still contend that the current Freshmen (next year's Sophs) (2012?) are at their respective schools in name only as they are all at the Gold campuses, and not at the Main buildings. Like gatordog stated - Show the district-wide impact and how it benefits the entire district and I'll be glad to listen. If not, one is sounding like a whiner, which gets one nowhere in my book.
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Jan 14, 2009 21:04:18 GMT -5
I would like to see block type college coursework offered at all three high school campuses as quickly as possible. Dr. dash has spoken of this idea in the past and it seems like a great idea. To get this done as efficiently as possible would mean that the less oscillations the better, along with freed up sq, footage. NVHS has frontier nearby, MVHS will have plenty of sq. footage, that leaves WVHS with a need to free up additional room.
With the changes in place for the class of 2012, the idea of "block coursework" can be attained quicker and more efficiently especially at WVHS.
Work this in with more opportunity to get a semester or two of college credit under a student's belt and you have a real win- win.
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Post by justvote on Jan 14, 2009 21:16:50 GMT -5
I understand their desire to keep the Sophs at their respective schools. I don't think it's as efficient to open a new school with Frosh only...I will still contend that the current Freshmen (next year's Sophs) (2012?) are at their respective schools in name only as they are all at the Gold campuses, and not at the Main buildings. Like gatordog stated - Show the district-wide impact and how it benefits the entire district and I'll be glad to listen. If not, one is sounding like a whiner, which gets one nowhere in my book. I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that. The Freshman at Neuqua & Waubonsie feel every bit a Wildcat & Warrior as their upper classmen counterparts. I truly feel that it's going to be very difficult for some of these students to transition to a new school. I think some will suffer an identity crisis of sorts making it difficult to form a bond with either school (at least initially). I think you're minimizing the impact. Undoubtedly some will transition easier than others, but I think some will find it more difficult.
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Post by gatormom on Jan 15, 2009 8:57:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that. The Freshman at Neuqua & Waubonsie feel every bit a Wildcat & Warrior as their upper classmen counterparts. I truly feel that it's going to be very difficult for some of these students to transition to a new school. I think some will suffer an identity crisis of sorts making it difficult to form a bond with either school (at least initially). I think you're minimizing the impact. Undoubtedly some will transition easier than others, but I think some will find it more difficult. I agree with you, for some kids this is going to be a difficult transition. The thing is, it has been coming for a while and it is up to the parents to ready the kids. Some kids also struggle moving from 8th to high and gold to green. While the district does a lot to help them, it is ultimately the parent's job to ready them. I don't want to sound insenstive but unless a plan that benefits the entire district is available, the children from TG and WE who are freshman this year will be attending WV next year. It really is time to focus on making that work.
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Post by momto4 on Jan 15, 2009 9:25:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that. The Freshman at Neuqua & Waubonsie feel every bit a Wildcat & Warrior as their upper classmen counterparts. I truly feel that it's going to be very difficult for some of these students to transition to a new school. I think some will suffer an identity crisis of sorts making it difficult to form a bond with either school (at least initially). I think you're minimizing the impact. Undoubtedly some will transition easier than others, but I think some will find it more difficult. I agree with you, for some kids this is going to be a difficult transition. The thing is, it has been coming for a while and it is up to the parents to ready the kids. Some kids also struggle moving from 8th to high and gold to green. While the district does a lot to help them, it is ultimately the parent's job to ready them. I don't want to sound insenstive but unless a plan that benefits the entire district is available, the children from TG and WE who are freshman this year will be attending WV next year. It really is time to focus on making that work. There has been quite enough turmoil of "you're going to this HS, no wait, you're going to that one" and the kids have all had a year already to get settled into the idea of the school they will be attending next fall. Families, students and the district are all planning for this situation. Any kids who got really into the culture of the school that they are in now for 9th grade or the school that they were going to attend under current boundaries, did that this past year knowing that they would end up somewhere else. I would not have bought a lot of spirit wear for a school my student would attend for only one year. In fact, the kids moving to WV had the chance to buy WV spirit wear all along. The kids going to MV have only been able to get spirit wear for the past month or so. I think the parents' attitude goes a long way toward helping kids see the transition as either a positive or a negative. I want my children to have a good school experience and have done my best to point out the good things about the situation. This is easier for the one who will be attending MV than the one who complains that WV will be a bit more crowded next year and that close to half the kids in the building will be new to the green campus next year (as opposed to the usual slightly more than 1/3).
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Post by justvote on Jan 15, 2009 10:34:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that. The Freshman at Neuqua & Waubonsie feel every bit a Wildcat & Warrior as their upper classmen counterparts. I truly feel that it's going to be very difficult for some of these students to transition to a new school. I think some will suffer an identity crisis of sorts making it difficult to form a bond with either school (at least initially). I think you're minimizing the impact. Undoubtedly some will transition easier than others, but I think some will find it more difficult. I agree with you, for some kids this is going to be a difficult transition. The thing is, it has been coming for a while and it is up to the parents to ready the kids. Some kids also struggle moving from 8th to high and gold to green. While the district does a lot to help them, it is ultimately the parent's job to ready them. I don't want to sound insenstive but unless a plan that benefits the entire district is available, the children from TG and WE who are freshman this year will be attending WV next year. It really is time to focus on making that work. You are right - this has been a long time coming and the Freshman have had time to prepare for the transition. I don't think anything should be done this late in the game as it would be too disruptive. Parents do need to focus on making the transition smooth. I was just trying to point out that it will not be easy for some.
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Post by gatordog on Jan 15, 2009 12:11:06 GMT -5
I understand their desire to keep the Sophs at their respective schools. I don't think it's as efficient to open a new school with Frosh only...I will still contend that the current Freshmen (next year's Sophs) (2012?) are at their respective schools in name only as they are all at the Gold campuses, and not at the Main buildings. ... I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that. The Freshman at Neuqua & Waubonsie feel every bit a Wildcat & Warrior as their upper classmen counterparts. I truly feel that it's going to be very difficult for some of these students to transition to a new school. I think some will suffer an identity crisis of sorts making it difficult to form a bond with either school (at least initially). I think you're minimizing the impact. Undoubtedly some will transition easier than others, but I think some will find it more difficult. justvote, to me, I interpreted what wvhsparent said about the Gold campus as being a great deal about building layout-familiarity. I agree with you, I see how this of course will be hard from an emotional side for some students to leave behind their HS at which they spent a year at. This emotional cost is always paid when you open a new HS with sophs. It happened when NV was opened, when OEHS, St Ch N HS, etc, etc etc. But one thing is different, those other sophmores where also giving up a years-worth of HS building "lay of the land" experience: knowing the hallways, classroom spots, cool hang-out spots , and all of their HS bldg. In our case, with the sophs coming from a Gold campus: they really arent giving up the leaving behind a building they are familiar with on a day-by-day, class-period by class- period basis. With all that said....how much of a mitigating factor this is to ease the transition depends on the student. (true, for some it may be quite small). But it undeniably is a favorable factor for this case, when compared to the move of other sophs to a brand new school.
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