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Post by gatormom on Mar 1, 2009 15:08:53 GMT -5
Chances of that are ZERO. The fact that there have been felonies charged is more than enough "evidence." (Without even considering the distributed photos and the subsequent assault at school.) If it turns out that the kids eventually get off, then I suppose Gregory would have to open its arms to the acquitted student's return. But no one with half a brain would think the D204 would lose a lawsuit for forcing them to another school. Chances are infinitely higher that D204 would be sued for NOT moving them, especially if--God forbid--something else happens. And on the other side of the coin, transferring the accused to a new school where no one would be told of (due to privacy issues) the history is of equal concern especially if-God forbid-something else happens. It is not an easy issue to deal with asmo for anyone.
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Post by sushi on Mar 1, 2009 15:11:08 GMT -5
Since we don't know the whole story behind the statement, it's not fair to judge. If you take out the expletive it loses a lot of bite. It was not intended to be public, obviously, and MM and the father see what has transpired differently. I will agree that there has been some questionable behavior but in the big picture of all that has occured I understand the frustration. I also think that in spite of it all, MM has a lot of experience to contribute to this district
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Post by drdavelasik on Mar 1, 2009 15:21:35 GMT -5
Since we don't know the whole story behind the statement, it's not fair to judge. If you take out the expletive it loses a lot of bite. It was not intended to be public, obviously, and MM and the father see what has transpired differently. I will agree that there has been some questionable behavior but in the big picture of all that has occured I understand the frustration. I also think that in spite of it all, MM has a lot of experience to contribute to this district Interesting take on it to say the least. It comforts me to know that our SB President feels that a parent with valid concerns is a MF.....how comforting. But stand strong behind him because alot have dropped out of line.
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Post by drdavelasik on Mar 1, 2009 15:23:36 GMT -5
I understand your "hating to draw analogies" here....because there are none to be sensibly made! So anybody against the NSFOC lawsuit, is by your analogy, against our nation's rule-of-law principles in general, and the parents of the victim dealing with an an assault case specifically. Oh please! Not to bore anyone but....for the record, NSFOC was a lawsuit about overturning the decisions of a fair vote, and then decisions made by our elected representatives, all for that all-important perceived injustice of "neighborhood schools for our children". With BB being sufficiently in the neighborhood, but Ogden and Eola not. With NSFOC's own attorney saying "there really is no constitutional precedent at all for what we are trying to do". I just dont see any analogy at all to one going to court about a specific assault case. Now that you brought up NSFOC's lawsuit...we all know there would be cost born for years to come by this selfish action. Sadly, here is one now: the vast majority of the district is trying to understand and come to grips with MM's odious email comment and the Superintendant's handling of what is happening at Gregory between three, now two, students. What to do now, and in the future. Ultimately, this is (or regretably should be) a very private matter between victim and the accused, with very very few correctly having all the facts. Now we have people clamoring for this being a reason, in the extreme, for MM and Dr D to "resign". Yet how can people like myself, and others in the broad middle of this district, understand if the motives of those calling for this are really on the merits of this Gregory situation....or if they really are calling for this because of their past "sins" of selecting the wrong site and the wrong boundaries for MV? The NSFOC never knew there would be a tragic sexual assault at Gregory. The NSFOC never knew the administration would stumble so much in its handling of this. But the NSFOC should have known that future issues of some kind would arise (they always do in life). And they should have known that sensible and non-emotional input from citizens throughout 204 would be needed. Yet, the NSFOC and like-minded people have clouded the 204 landscape. My take is all that is left for them is to be punitive towards certain political figures (since the real issues no longer can be changed: we are getting a third HS, it will be sited on Eola Rd, and the boundaries are determined.) The political atmosphere apparently has been set such that we sadly cannot consider issues on their merits alone. Trying to draw comparisons between NSFOC lawsuit and the assault case is a very vivid example of just that! I surely wish we could have the conversation about what we want done by the SB, and by the people involved, as being best to move forward with this specific assault issue. And yes, we need to have the conversation about what leadership is needed for the future of the SD. But this needs to be done without the witch-hunt element for past perceived sins that some want to bring into this. If the emotional mentality takes over, the entire district stands to lose. well said GD Gosh Steckdad if I did not know any better I would say you know M2 quite well. I am sure he happy to know that no matter what he does you support him. All people need a friend like you. Keep up the good work.
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Post by drdavelasik on Mar 1, 2009 15:27:35 GMT -5
When people get disrespected and treated poorly it brings out the worst in many. The SB called taxpayers names, sent out a false bridge memo. The SB created this mess. Now is seems to many on this board that is ok that our SB president called this father a MF? ? Really? ? Maybe if our SB was truthful and handled this matter with sensitivity you wouldn't see these reactions. MM is WAY OFF base on this. Put yourself in these parents shoes and if this was your child. You would do what ever it took!!! To blame this on NSFOC is UNBELIEVEABLE!!!! How effective is MM in dealing with this situation after calling this father such a vulgar word??? How should these parents react? Even this post shows how blurred the lines between things have become. And for what it is worth, nobody on this board has been okay with what was written in that email. You might want to read a little closer. It is true that people on this board have said it is not okay, however later some opt to rationalize his actions. There is no rationality behind this. Simply unacceptable. Lucky for him this is not a formal business or he would be fired.
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Post by drdavelasik on Mar 1, 2009 15:28:36 GMT -5
How about disrespectful behavior to a school board, including throwing and slamming things in a public meeting? Are we really going to talk about the open meetings thing again? The point is, the district is doing what they can legally on this issue. Emotions are once again clouding that fact. And I disagree; the lost trust has everything to do with the past perceived "wrong-doings" by the board. You speak with such authority that the district is doing all it can do. Dr. Daeshener has acknowledged that he made a mistake in his handling. But in all your wisdom, they are doing all that they can? This argument that the mean taxpayers are responsible for Mark Metzger's pathetic actions is ridiculous. Suggest that he saves the district additional conflict and resign with dignity. Illinois does not need another Blago or Burris shining a light on poor leadership. May I remind you that there is an innocent child at the core of this issue? What if it were yours? I wonder how understanding you would be.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 1, 2009 15:29:09 GMT -5
First of all, why do you think no one would be told? Maybe you didn't see Superintendent Leis' statement to D203 regarding the arrival of one of the accused?
Secondly, I never said moving them to another MS within D204 was without concerns. At either school, the community will be apprehensive and uncomfortable with this student present. But it seems obvious that splitting the accused and the alleged victim to different schools solves the biggest problem immediately.
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Post by gatormom on Mar 1, 2009 15:38:10 GMT -5
First of all, why do you think no one would be told? Maybe you didn't see Superintendent Leis' statement to D203 regarding the arrival of one of the accused? Secondly, I never said moving them to another MS within D204 was without concerns. At either school, the community will be apprehensive and uncomfortable with this student present. But it seems obvious that splitting the accused and the alleged victim to different schools solves the biggest problem immediately. Leis was responding to a high profile situation where the transfer to 203 was common knowledge. If there was policy in place to move the accused to another school to separate them from the victim and this was accomplished in November in this case, no one would have been told. Privacy, the district cannot comment. The staff would have been aware of it. The district is not releasing information about this case or the students involved, it is the family of the victim and the Gregory community.
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Post by momto4 on Mar 1, 2009 15:44:22 GMT -5
First of all, why do you think no one would be told? Maybe you didn't see Superintendent Leis' statement to D203 regarding the arrival of one of the accused? He really had no choice. If the accused had been moved to another MS back in November (203 or 204), we would not have heard about it. Unless the parents decided to go public as they did. The school district would not be allowed to give out that sort of information.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 1, 2009 15:46:34 GMT -5
Well, let's naively assume (especially considering the photos) that no one at the new school would know other than staff. Wouldn't that be a win-win? I am saying that even if everyone knew, it's still clearly better than the current situation.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 1, 2009 15:49:31 GMT -5
And by the way, while most people here would probably lump me in with the NSFOC crowd, I would understand if the district decided to send the accused student to my kid's school. Would I be happy? No. But I'd like to think I wouldn't be a hypocrite.
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Post by eb204 on Mar 1, 2009 15:49:57 GMT -5
May I remind you that there is an innocent child at the core of this issue? What if it were yours? I wonder how understanding you would be. A very good reminder, DrDave...there is a child at the core of this issue and all of this energy should be spent at rectifying the current policy as it stands. Efforts are being made to do that. People seem to have forgotten about the child and are choosing to make this more about MM. Even if MM is gone, the issue will remain. How do we change policies so that this child or others can get an education and perhaps the help they need to get through this trauma without effective policy changes? If this were my child, I'm sure I would go to great lengths to resolve the situation to my satisfaction. However, I know I would not allow my child or the rest of my family to be in the middle of all the media circus. This child is becoming a pawn in someone's game, whether the parents realize it or not, and that should be of utmost concern to these parents as well. It should all stop for the sake of this child's emotional welfare.
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Post by warriorpride on Mar 1, 2009 15:54:29 GMT -5
How about disrespectful behavior to a school board, including throwing and slamming things in a public meeting? Are we really going to talk about the open meetings thing again? The point is, the district is doing what they can legally on this issue. Emotions are once again clouding that fact. And I disagree; the lost trust has everything to do with the past perceived "wrong-doings" by the board. You speak with such authority that the district is doing all it can do. Dr. Daeshener has acknowledged that he made a mistake in his handling. But in all your wisdom, they are doing all that they can? This argument that the mean taxpayers are responsible for Mark Metzger's pathetic actions is ridiculous. Suggest that he saves the district additional conflict and resign with dignity. Illinois does not need another Blago or Burris shining a light on poor leadership. May I remind you that there is an innocent child at the core of this issue? What if it were yours? I wonder how understanding you would be. To compare this to blago or burris is a joke Don't hide behind the "innocent child" thing - I think everyone would agree it's gotten much bigger than that. And as for "What if it were yours?" - it's hard to say without knowing all of the specifics (which we probably will never know), but my initial reaction and my current thoughts are that I would have moved my kid to another MS long ago.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 1, 2009 15:58:47 GMT -5
Efforts by whom? The parents, yes, but the SB/Admin? MM has clearly shown he cannot be a part of this solution due to his feelings toward the family. So how does the SB proceed, when at least one member has a poisonous relationship with one of the parties?
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 1, 2009 16:01:17 GMT -5
How long ago? The day after the attack or when you realized the SB wasn't willing to do the right thing?
Also, you do realize that moving your kid away from the attackers also means moving him away from his support system of friends and teachers, right?
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