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Post by doctorwho on Jul 1, 2008 14:13:38 GMT -5
I grew up on the East Coast and am old enough to remember air raid drills during the cold war. We had to go down to the basement of the school building and line up. I hear that works will in cases of nuclear blasts. Keeps the Commies away. We had that here also. You went out into the Hallway next to the lockers in the Chicago schools, and got into a 'crash position' like they would have you do on the airlines, and put your hands over your head. The kids would line up one after another. We were told Cook County was a major target of those Reds because of all the manufacturing ( there used to be before it left for Mexico and China )- and large population - so the East Coast was not alone. One other thing I found out, if you asked what good this would possibly do in event of a nuclear explosion, they put a mark in your permanent record as a troublemaker.
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Post by specialneedsmom on Jul 1, 2008 15:15:34 GMT -5
Ah, so you were branded at an early age, huh Doc?
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Post by rj on Jul 4, 2008 7:51:48 GMT -5
Drove by the site last evening. The footprint of where the school is going seems to be taking shape. Do they not do basements on buildings such as these? They usually don't have basements in a school of that size. As doctorwho mentioned, it is cost prohibitive. While a basement would be useful for shelter, it would be a nightmare trying to keep it dry. Just imagine how many sump pumps it would take. There may be a small section for mechanicals, but if they were doing a large basement, there would be no need for the building pad they are attempting to build, as they would already be digging it. Most of the newer schools are slab construction. From what I heard from coworkers that have driven by the site this week, they are not having much luck with getting the site ready for building excavation. They are still trying to lime the pad, but several pieces of equipment got stuck and needed to be pulled out, which means the site is still wet. It also was observed that the material they are using is a silty yellow clay, which is ok when it is dry, but a royal pain to get compaction when it is wet. What they need is a couple weeks of hot dry windy conditions and it will come around. They also were attempting to stone a section for a staging/parking area, which appears to be going slowly. The dump trucks were being pulled in and out of the area that was being stoned, as the clay was pumping up out of the stone from being driven on. Not good. General consensus in the local excavating community is relief that Read got that job, and not any of us. ;D
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Post by eb204 on Jul 15, 2008 10:48:16 GMT -5
Concrete trucks have been busy at the site recently. I understand that the footings were poured last week and things are on schedule.
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Post by Arch on Jul 15, 2008 11:25:02 GMT -5
Concrete trucks have been busy at the site recently. I understand that the footings were poured last week and things are on schedule. Is it normally a month from Foundation Work beginning (June 13th according to the April Schedule) until footings being poured? I admit I have no clue as to the process, order of things or timings; just curious if that's 'normal' because there was talk prior about the rain delaying things.
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Post by gatormom on Jul 15, 2008 12:07:37 GMT -5
Concrete trucks have been busy at the site recently. I understand that the footings were poured last week and things are on schedule. Is it normally a month from Foundation Work beginning (June 13th according to the April Schedule) until footings being poured? I admit I have no clue as to the process, order of things or timings; just curious if that's 'normal' because there was talk prior about the rain delaying things. Seems odd to me too Arch but I did hear the same thing about being on schedule. Strange. I guess only time will tell.
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Post by eb204 on Jul 15, 2008 12:22:14 GMT -5
I'm told that some of the rainy days did put the original schedule a bit behind, but on the good days, they really kick it into gear and it's "all hands on deck" so to speak, including Saturdays and Sundays if needed. From my understanding (and it's VERY limited in construction terms), there are moving targets in regards to the construction. Something may put them 2- 3 days or even weeks behind, but in some cases, those days can be made up in very little time. In the case of the wet soil, they added limestone to speed up the drying, as I believe it was "rj" who educated us on that. Anyway, they are back on schedule or at the very least do not have any concerns about being behind schedule at this point.
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Post by Arch on Jul 15, 2008 12:32:45 GMT -5
I'm told that some of the rainy days did put the original schedule a bit behind, but on the good days, they really kick it into gear and it's "all hands on deck" so to speak, including Saturdays and Sundays if needed. From my understanding (and it's VERY limited in construction terms), there are moving targets in regards to the construction. Something may put them 2- 3 days or even weeks behind, but in some cases, those days can be made up in very little time. In the case of the wet soil, they added limestone to speed up the drying, as I believe it was "rj" who educated us on that. Anyway, they are back on schedule or at the very least do not have any concerns about being behind schedule at this point. I recall that good info and education from RJ about the limestone, but I wasn't certain if it was factored into the original timeline or not and thus, my original question.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Jul 15, 2008 12:39:13 GMT -5
I'm told that some of the rainy days did put the original schedule a bit behind, but on the good days, they really kick it into gear and it's "all hands on deck" so to speak, including Saturdays and Sundays if needed. From my understanding (and it's VERY limited in construction terms), there are moving targets in regards to the construction. Something may put them 2- 3 days or even weeks behind, but in some cases, those days can be made up in very little time. In the case of the wet soil, they added limestone to speed up the drying, as I believe it was "rj" who educated us on that. Anyway, they are back on schedule or at the very least do not have any concerns about being behind schedule at this point. They must be doing OK as I drove by the site on Sunday afternoon. It was a gorgeous day and no one was out there. I'm sure if they had needed the day to catch up, they would have.
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Post by lorip on Jul 15, 2008 13:16:09 GMT -5
I'm told that some of the rainy days did put the original schedule a bit behind, but on the good days, they really kick it into gear and it's "all hands on deck" so to speak, including Saturdays and Sundays if needed. From my understanding (and it's VERY limited in construction terms), there are moving targets in regards to the construction. Something may put them 2- 3 days or even weeks behind, but in some cases, those days can be made up in very little time. In the case of the wet soil, they added limestone to speed up the drying, as I believe it was "rj" who educated us on that. Anyway, they are back on schedule or at the very least do not have any concerns about being behind schedule at this point. They must be doing OK as I drove by the site on Sunday afternoon. It was a gorgeous day and no one was out there. I'm sure if they had needed the day to catch up, they would have. I agree... we often go to Cracker Barrel for breakfast on Sundays and head up Eola. Some Sundays, they are working and others they are not.
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Post by rural on Jul 15, 2008 19:34:45 GMT -5
I was under the impression, as of July 4th weekend, they were about a week behind schedule. I don't think they've made it up that quickly, but I also dont think that 5 days is a delay to be concerned about. As long as the gap is getting smaller and not larger.
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Post by rj on Jul 15, 2008 19:47:00 GMT -5
Is it normally a month from Foundation Work beginning (June 13th according to the April Schedule) until footings being poured? That is not normal. Usually, after the building pad is finished, built up to grade and compacted, they will start digging for footings. On a building this size, as the the excavator digs the trench for the footing, and the interior piers/ grade beams, the concrete footing crew will follow, then the wall crew will be right behind them. Normally the goal, once the dig is started, is to pour one section of footing and wall per day. That way, by the time the excavator is done trenching, he can go back and start backfilling, and then the bricklayers can start blocking and bricking behind him, or if it is a precast building, they can start setting walls, the plumber can start the underground inside the building, Etc. Etc. I doubt that the liming process was factored in, most likely they weren't counting on having to do it. I believe it was necessary due to all the rain we had. Honestly, you all don't think our SD would buy a plot of land that has bad soil and try to build on it? Or would they? ;D As far as being almost month behind on the foundation work and now miraculously be back on schedule, I think it is more B.S. from the masters of smoke and mirrors. The foundation needs to be in before any other work can start, if the foundation is a month behind, so is the start of everything else mentioned above. We shall see if the cranes show up for the steel on Aug 14th as scheduled.
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Post by eb204 on Jul 15, 2008 22:48:39 GMT -5
I was under the impression, as of July 4th weekend, they were about a week behind schedule. I don't think they've made it up that quickly, but I also dont think that 5 days is a delay to be concerned about. As long as the gap is getting smaller and not larger. This is what I was trying to convey earlier. What is the spread for being "on schedule"? I certainly don't get the impression that there was any worry at this point.
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Post by JWH on Jul 18, 2008 13:04:22 GMT -5
Just went by the site. Lots of concrete mixers and additional heavy equipment onsite since last time I drove by.
Huge progress since last week!
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Post by eb204 on Jul 18, 2008 14:34:14 GMT -5
Just went by the site. Lots of concrete mixers and additional heavy equipment onsite since last time I drove by. Huge progress since last week! I was in that area today dropping off my daughter at her friend's house. We saw 5 cememt mixers coming from there at one time and all kinds of other equipment. My son even noticed how busy it was. He can't wait until the walls "arrive". He wants to see them when they go up. So someone in that area let me know when they "arrive" ETA: Oh, after we left my friend's house which is right across from the the site, I had to take my daughter to the eye doctor which is at Rickert/75th area. It took me 12 minutes ( I kid you not!) to get from the site to her appt. Now, I realize that is in the middle of the day and I hit a good number of green lights, but we were so early, that we were able to drive through Wendy's and still make her appt. with time to spare. For anyone interested, I took Eola to Liberty to Commons to Ogden to Rickert. Got to Wendy's in 12 minutes.
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