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Post by asmodeus on Mar 6, 2009 0:14:59 GMT -5
Think about what you're saying. If your anecdotal evidence is in fact representative of the north, do you not think it reflects poorly on the area? Do you think it was a coincidence that almost every SB candidate stated that he should resign, or are they all grandstanding? If it had been a girl who was raped, and MM called the victim's mother a c---, would you and your neighbors be as apathetic? The "crime" of profanity is not the issue; it's the underlying hostility and disregard for a grieving parent that should make any unbiased citizen shudder.
Here's hoping that changes.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 6, 2009 0:16:47 GMT -5
Perhaps because he was following orders from his boss? Hello?
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Post by justvote on Mar 6, 2009 9:02:36 GMT -5
Perhaps because he was following orders from his boss? Hello? The Gregory Principal took every action he could within his authority by separating them to different teams, shadowing, MEETING with all involved immediately after the incident, and he was extremely sympathetic and empathetic (which is very important in a situation such as this). The decision to move the students was not his - when the victim's parents sought to discuss this with Dr. D, a brick wall was hit. He refused to meet with them and his conversation with them amounted to "the policy currently in place is fine, the boys will not be moved." End of conversation.
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Post by Arwen on Mar 6, 2009 9:18:14 GMT -5
Think about what you're saying. If your anecdotal evidence is in fact representative of the north, do you not think it reflects poorly on the area? Do you think it was a coincidence that almost every SB candidate stated that he should resign, or are they all grandstanding? If it had been a girl who was raped, and MM called the victim's mother a c---, would you and your neighbors be as apathetic? The "crime" of profanity is not the issue; it's the underlying hostility and disregard for a grieving parent that should make any unbiased citizen shudder. First, the gender of the victim is irrelevant. If you read my comments on this board with regards to this issue, you will see that I have called on the Admin/SB repeatedly to handle this differently. My neighbors are not apathetic about the crime nor are they unsympathetic to the victim or the family. Their attention is more focused on Dr. D and the SB as a whole than on MM in particular. I think the SB candidates have a right to their opinion on whether a resignation is called for in this case, but that doesn't mean their opinion is shared by every person in this district. The petition is a great way to judge the feeling of the district as a whole. Last I looked, it didn't seem to show that the entire district was on board. Perhaps that will change. In either case, if MM does resign, I am still not excited about having another appointed representative for 2 years. And finally, I don't think my anecdotal evidence reflects poorly on the north any more than I think residents' anger in the south reflects poorly on them. I think people came into this situation with their own level of animosity or regard for MM and that prior experience (good or bad) is reflected in their response to MM's email. Everyone agrees that it was a big gaffe, but the debate centers around whether it is serious enough to force a resignation. You obviously have your opinion, and others have theirs.
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Post by gatordog on Mar 6, 2009 13:24:13 GMT -5
It really is a very unfortunate and weird coincidence that this MM incident occurs literally right when the public is engaging itself in a SB election. And this petition is occurring exactly in parallel with SB campaigns.
Broad support is being sought, that is the goal of any petition. Maybe a compromise with those running the petition drive would be to suspend this petition until after the election. In that way they would be making a statement that this has nothing whatsoever to do with election politics. Then one could understand this is solely about the principle of the issue at hand. (There would be no change in the effect on SB decision-making on the Gregory incident....MM is not participating at all in that no matter what.)
Maybe there is a good community policy component to it, as well. This way a signer of the petition knows it will be the newly elected SB deciding on the appointment, and not the current one.
Honestly, I wonder if the "genie is already out of the bottle". That may be an unfortunate thing, if broad support is sought. With things being put in motion now, some--especially those not so familiar with many of the details--- may instinctively question whether or not there are underlying political motives. Those seeking signatures have to understand, given the timing of the election calender, a voter could well have that concern. They could clearly and decisively eliminate that concern by waiting until next month. The principles of the matter will still be there in one month ...but any potential perception of election politics would be removed.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Mar 6, 2009 13:44:00 GMT -5
It really is a very unfortunate and weird coincidence that this MM incident occurs literally right when the public is engaging itself in a SB election. And this petition is occurring exactly in parallel with SB campaigns. Broad support is being sought, that is the goal of any petition. Maybe a compromise with those running the petition drive would be to suspend this petition until after the election. In that way they would be making a statement that this has nothing whatsoever to do with election politics. Then one could understand this is solely about the principle of the issue at hand. (There would be no change in the effect on SB decision-making on the Gregory incident....MM is not participating at all in that no matter what.) Maybe there is a good community policy component to it, as well. This way a signer of the petition knows it will be the newly elected SB deciding on the appointment, and not the current one. Honestly, I wonder if the "genie is already out of the bottle". That may be an unfortunate thing, if broad support is sought. With things being put in motion now, some--especially those not so familiar with many of the details--- may instinctively question whether or not there are underlying political motives. Those seeking signatures have to understand, given the timing of the election calender, a voter could well have that concern. They could clearly and decisively eliminate that concern by waiting until next month. The principles of the matter will still be there in one month ...but any potential perception of election politics would be removed. What I worry about is the emotional issue here. People need to check their feelings for MM at the door on April 7th. I fear that people will pick what they feel are the 4 candidates most likely to oust MM. Then when that happens, we could be stuck with some SB members that are deer in the headlights, can't communicate/have agendas or have no other ability to lead this district and we have to watch them be ineffective for the next 4 years. While MM is the most important aspect for some, we need to focus on 4 individual people that are well qualified and have the district needs in mind and CAN change the board to be what we want them to be. There are other things of importance in our school district and we need to look at the broad picture when we are voting.
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Post by JWH on Mar 6, 2009 14:43:29 GMT -5
What I worry about is the emotional issue here. People need to check their feelings for MM at the door on April 7th. I fear that people will pick what they feel are the 4 candidates most likely to oust MM. Then when that happens, we could be stuck with some SB members that are deer in the headlights, can't communicate/have agendas or have no other ability to lead this district and we have to watch them be ineffective for the next 4 years. Unfortuantely, many have already clearly stated they find this most important to them on April 7th...rather than any truly good qualities a SB candidate should possess.
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Post by drdavelasik on Mar 6, 2009 14:54:09 GMT -5
What I worry about is the emotional issue here. People need to check their feelings for MM at the door on April 7th. I fear that people will pick what they feel are the 4 candidates most likely to oust MM. Then when that happens, we could be stuck with some SB members that are deer in the headlights, can't communicate/have agendas or have no other ability to lead this district and we have to watch them be ineffective for the next 4 years. Unfortuantely, many have already clearly stated they find this most important to them on April 7th...rather than any truly good qualities a SB candidate should possess. My point of view is that a truly good candidate can possess the qualities we need for the district AND also want to get rid of MM. Is that beyond comprehension? Let us not forget that all these SB members are simply VOLUNTEERS that are parents in our district. So if these same people do not want to have a SB member working alongside him/her that can show such utter shameful behavior during a sensitive and serious matter at hand with the Gregory situation, more power to them.
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Post by JWH on Mar 6, 2009 16:06:15 GMT -5
Unfortuantely, many have already clearly stated they find this most important to them on April 7th...rather than any truly good qualities a SB candidate should possess. My point of view is that a truly good candidate can possess the qualities we need for the district AND also want to get rid of MM. Is that beyond comprehension? Let us not forget that all these SB members are simply VOLUNTEERS that are parents in our district. So if these same people do not want to have a SB member working alongside him/her that can show such utter shameful behavior during a sensitive and serious matter at hand with the Gregory situation, more power to them. That's totally reasonable. What's not is blanket endorsing the "slate of 4" even before hearing what the other candidates had to offer.
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Post by sushi on Mar 6, 2009 17:04:54 GMT -5
Another witch hunt originated by the same exact folks involved in the lawsuit. Was the leaked e-mail offensive, absolutely. I think Mark stepping down was appropriate and now it's time to move on. His vast experience will be invaluable with four new board members. While he has been abrasive or whatever, this has been a very turmultuous two years and I am sick of the continued whining about the bridge and the boundaries and all that cr*p. I am very concerned about the motives of this group and the fab four alike.......
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Post by warriormom on Mar 6, 2009 17:11:05 GMT -5
Another witch hunt originated by the same exact folks involved in the lawsuit. Was the leaked e-mail offensive, absolutely. I think Mark stepping down was appropriate and now it's time to move on. His vast experience will be invaluable with four new board members. While he has been abrasive or whatever, this has been a very turmultuous two years and I am sick of the continued whining about the bridge and the boundaries and all that cr*p. I am very concerned about the motives of this group and the fab four alike....... Actually it was ORIGINATED by a Gregory family and is being signed by all those that agree that MM has crossed the line this time in referring to a PARENT who is trying to do what is best for his son a vulgar name. I am certain you would feel differently if your son were sexually abused and MM referred tp your husband as an MFer .
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Post by gatormom on Mar 6, 2009 17:24:20 GMT -5
Another witch hunt originated by the same exact folks involved in the lawsuit. Was the leaked e-mail offensive, absolutely. I think Mark stepping down was appropriate and now it's time to move on. His vast experience will be invaluable with four new board members. While he has been abrasive or whatever, this has been a very turmultuous two years and I am sick of the continued whining about the bridge and the boundaries and all that cr*p. I am very concerned about the motives of this group and the fab four alike....... Actually it was ORIGINATED by a Gregory family and is being signed by all those that agree that MM has crossed the line this time in referring to a PARENT who is trying to do what is best for his son a vulgar name. I am certain you would feel differently if your son were sexually abused and MM referred tp your husband as an MFer . Anyone who has seen the email, knows whose names originated it. No, the one I got did not have a Gregory family starting it. In fact the names at the bottom of the one I saw were names quite familiar from the NSFOC.
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Post by warriormom on Mar 6, 2009 17:36:21 GMT -5
Actually it was ORIGINATED by a Gregory family and is being signed by all those that agree that MM has crossed the line this time in referring to a PARENT who is trying to do what is best for his son a vulgar name. I am certain you would feel differently if your son were sexually abused and MM referred tp your husband as an MFer . Anyone who has seen the email, knows whose names originated it. No, the one I got did not have a Gregory family starting it. In fact the names at the bottom of the one I saw were names quite familiar from the NSFOC. The petition asking for the complete resignation of Mark Metzger was started by Karl and Michelle Cordes. They are Springbrook and Gregory parents who by their own admission have never followed nor attended a school board meeting until recently. They have never had anything to do with the NSFOC. Perhaps you see signatures from former NSFOC folks because they too have seen the way MM has treated taxpayers in the past and this is truely the last straw. They are supporting their fellow taxpayers and parents who see MM's behavior as being unworthy to be a representative of the people.
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Post by gatormom on Mar 6, 2009 17:51:53 GMT -5
The petition asking for the complete resignation of Mark Metzger was started by Karl and Michelle Cordes. They are Springbrook and Gregory parents who by their own admission have never followed nor attended a school board meeting until recently. They have never had anything to do with the NSFOC. Perhaps you see signatures from former NSFOC folks because they too have seen the way MM has treated taxpayers in the past and this is truely the last straw. They are supporting their fellow taxpayers and parents who see MM's behavior as being unworthy to be a representative of the people. I suspected that there were folks from the NSFOC who were involved with the petition when I read this. You remember Crockett, school board candidate and ex-opening act for the NSFOC meetings? The email I recieved confirmed what I suspected, there is more than the horrible situation at Gregory motivating many people.
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Post by sushi on Mar 6, 2009 17:56:06 GMT -5
yeparoo. As I said before, take out the expletive of what was supposed to be a private e-mail and it loses it's bite. I think MM stepping down is enough.
ETA: I cannot begin to imagine what that family is going through.
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