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Post by wvhsparent on Mar 7, 2009 11:27:29 GMT -5
I dont know what company you work at - but in the professional/corporate world - if you committed a violent sexual felony against another employee - you would be terminated, not reassigned to another department. And again the current school code already provdes that if you committed this act against a teacher or staff member you would have already been expelled. As I have stated before A teacher or other school staff are, by their very nature of authority, considered part of the school at all times. Are you 100% sure of that in the corp world? From my professional experience I know it is not that case at all.
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Post by cocrt21 on Mar 7, 2009 11:33:28 GMT -5
Sorry that in your experience that was not the case. I wish you well.
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Post by steckdad on Mar 7, 2009 11:34:04 GMT -5
People have gone into debt or taken second mortgages for less. I would do whatever it took to get my child out of that school or even district, even if it meant pulling my child from his group of supportive friends. I don't think everyone is supporting MM's choice of words in that email or his perceived lack of compassion to the family. It's a matter of being able to look objectively at the situation. I believe there is a unanimous agreement that what he did was in very poor taste. He's received his conseqence for that. I find it incredible the lengths some who have recently come back to this board will go to to publicly hang the man. If anyone else on the board had sent that email, there wouldn't be the lynch mob there is over MM. He did not receive consequences, Mark Metzger decided what his consequences should be. If we apply objectivity, then there would have been some input from the community as to what the consequence is. The voters should decide if they want him to respresent them -- that is objective. Our representatives are supposed to reflect our thinking and values. He does not reflect mine. I am left to wonder what is the motivation for some to accept this behavior from a representative. Does his behavior reflect your own, making it more acceptable? If no, then how do you wish to be represented? Could it be that having Mark Metzger on the school board provides some personal benefit that would be lost if he steps aside? Access to information or special treatment? Just wondering? Dr dave.....based on what I have heard from people on both boards he has been an asset for the "nuts and bolts" part of the job. ensuring our kids get a great education. The extra curricular stuff that have had groups of parents hopping mad at the SD is where MM has shown an inability to keep his cool. As far as motivation goes, I couldn't imagine anyone having anything to gain with the election or removal of any particular person on the SB. I think if they felt that way they would be fooling themselves. BTW the behavior comment was out of line IMO....
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Post by concerned on Mar 7, 2009 11:34:18 GMT -5
Hey, I got it!! You have two choices in this district. Sit down and shut up or move!!!!
I believe in fighting for what is right. I hope change comes about from all this so that no other family has to go through what this family has to go through. I applaude them!!
MM must go. Kurt has enough experience and morals to guide this SB.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Mar 7, 2009 12:13:44 GMT -5
You do have a third choice. You need to get informed on the SB candidates that are going to be filling four spots on this board in April and pick the 4 that are the best for this district and vote on April 7th.
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Post by Arwen on Mar 7, 2009 12:29:21 GMT -5
Hey, I got it!! You have two choices in this district. Sit down and shut up or move!!!! I believe in fighting for what is right. I hope change comes about from all this so that no other family has to go through what this family has to go through. I applaude them!! MM must go. Kurt has enough experience and morals to guide this SB. The question was asked as to what GM would do if it were her child. She answered it. Personally, I would never have sent my child back through the doors at Gregory. I would have been sitting in the office at All Saints or Calvary or another school in the area trying to enroll him the next day or I would home school if I couldn't find an alternative. I don't think I would immediately move. Just because that is how I would handle it doesn't mean that I judge the victim's family for how they've chosen to handle it. For GM to say that she would move doesn't mean that she or anyone else thinks that this family should. They've done us all a service in bringing the policy/lack of policy to light so the policy and hopefully the law can be changed. I do think however that their son is paying the price for this service to the community. Middle school kids are particularly cruel, and the publicity required to change the policy has got to have taken a further toll on him. ETA: it is due to the toll on the victim of both the continued proximity to the accused AND due to the toll of the continued public discussion of his trauma that I think the SB should act immediately to move the accused to another middle school. I hope they are taking those steps now that they know it is within their legal scope. We are now 2 weeks out from our lawyer telling them it was legal. What are they waiting for?
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Post by concerned on Mar 7, 2009 13:13:26 GMT -5
You do have a third choice. You need to get informed on the SB candidates that are going to be filling four spots on this board in April and pick the 4 that are the best for this district and vote on April 7th. Doing that!!
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Post by concerned on Mar 7, 2009 13:16:51 GMT -5
Hey, I got it!! You have two choices in this district. Sit down and shut up or move!!!! I believe in fighting for what is right. I hope change comes about from all this so that no other family has to go through what this family has to go through. I applaude them!! MM must go. Kurt has enough experience and morals to guide this SB. The question was asked as to what GM would do if it were her child. She answered it. Personally, I would never have sent my child back through the doors at Gregory. I would have been sitting in the office at All Saints or Calvary or another school in the area trying to enroll him the next day or I would home school if I couldn't find an alternative. I don't think I would immediately move. Just because that is how I would handle it doesn't mean that I judge the victim's family for how they've chosen to handle it. For GM to say that she would move doesn't mean that she or anyone else thinks that this family should. They've done us all a service in bringing the policy/lack of policy to light so the policy and hopefully the law can be changed. I do think however that their son is paying the price for this service to the community. Middle school kids are particularly cruel, and the publicity required to change the policy has got to have taken a further toll on him. ETA: it is due to the toll on the victim of both the continued proximity to the accused AND due to the toll of the continued public discussion of his trauma that I think the SB should act immediately to move the accused to another middle school. I hope they are taking those steps now that they know it is within their legal scope. We are now 2 weeks out from our lawyer telling them it was legal. What are they waiting for? IMO the victim has already payed a price that will effect for the rest of his life. It these kids feel that they got away with what they did to this kid imagine what they might do next??? For MM to call the father an MF is grounds to have him removed from SB. Imagine if CV had said that. She would already be removed. Kurt has enough experience with MM gone.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 7, 2009 13:22:46 GMT -5
Why don't you demand that MM come forth with them, since he's the one making the accusations.
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 7, 2009 13:24:37 GMT -5
Why do you feel the need to qualify it with the aggressors being drunk?
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Post by Arwen on Mar 7, 2009 13:28:52 GMT -5
IMO the victim has already payed a price that will effect for the rest of his life. It these kids feel that they got away with what they did to this kid imagine what they might do next??? No arguments from me. This is definitely something that will impact him from here on out. The kids involved should pay a heavy price for their actions. For MM to call the father an MF is grounds to have him removed from SB. Imagine if CV had said that. She would already be removed. Kurt has enough experience with MM gone. I agree that Kurt has good experience. I think CV also has good experience. I'm just not a big fan of appointing someone to fill a 2 year term. I am also concerned that the appointment could come when there are 4 non-incumbent board members. That would leave Kurt and Alka as the only voices of experience. Alka isn't the strongest voice in the room. That leaves Kurt. Is he alone experienced enough to get us where we need to be? I'm not sure, nor am I sure he would be the chosen president of the SB. I agree that it would probably be better in terms of community relations if MM steps down, but I think there are downsides to it as well.
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Post by WeNeed3 on Mar 7, 2009 13:30:15 GMT -5
.... it is due to the toll on the victim of both the continued proximity to the accused AND due to the toll of the continued public discussion of his trauma that I think the SB should act immediately to move the accused to another middle school. I hope they are taking those steps now that they know it is within their legal scope. We are now 2 weeks out from our lawyer telling them it was legal. What are they waiting for? I'm wondering if the accused's parents are wreaking havoc on the board and threatening them with a lawsuit if they do anything and that is why they are hesitating? If not, then they need to move the accused immediately. I think most parents would be somewhat understanding if the accused ended up in their school. With all the publicity, it will be better IMO. The accused will be shadowed at the other school and the other kids should be safe. If this wasn't so public, no one would have known anything, and the accused would have been a normal transferree with no one knowing anything.
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Post by warriorpride on Mar 7, 2009 13:36:04 GMT -5
I browsed the signatures. I didn't see a single signature from the central or northern parts of the district - gombert, steck, young, brooks, brookdale, longwood, hill, granger. Is this a function of the people who are circulating the petition and their group of email contacts or is this a result of people in the south and at MW being unhappy with MM about the HS/boundary situation? ETA: I realize that the district's ire isn't strictly due to the reason I cited above, but I would think people in all parts of the district would be equally inflamed about the email and the general handling of the assault case. Just catching up, as Comcast issues prevented me from accessing the www the past few days - with 584 "signatures" this observation is definitely still holding true, very much so
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Post by drdavelasik on Mar 7, 2009 13:55:50 GMT -5
I browsed the signatures. I didn't see a single signature from the central or northern parts of the district - gombert, steck, young, brooks, brookdale, longwood, hill, granger. Is this a function of the people who are circulating the petition and their group of email contacts or is this a result of people in the south and at MW being unhappy with MM about the HS/boundary situation? ETA: I realize that the district's ire isn't strictly due to the reason I cited above, but I would think people in all parts of the district would be equally inflamed about the email and the general handling of the assault case. Just catching up, as Comcast issues prevented me from accessing the www the past few days - with 584 "signatures" this observation is definitely still holding true, very much so WRONG! I just looked and saw a few myself. Don't want to call them out but take a look. I see some personal friends of mine.
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Post by eb204 on Mar 7, 2009 14:33:45 GMT -5
Drdavelasik - "I would do whatever it took to get my child out of that school or even district, even if it meant pulling my child from his group of supportive friends. " If you mean the victim - that would tell him that he, as well as you, are a coward and you are to blame. Assume you are talking to the offenders parents? No, I meant the victim. If that were my son, it would not be a cowardly act to remove him from school, nor would it send a message of blame. As his parent, I would make sure that he absolutely knew that. It is called protecting my child from being a continuous victim...of the teasing, bullying, the "looks" and stares and the constant reminders of this horrible incident, that being his accusers. I would want him to have a fresh start so that he can begin to heal from the emotional wounds he will have for the rest of his life. The parents of the victim, for thier own reasons, have chosen to stay. I'm not judging them for their actions nor am I telling them to move. Merely explaining what I would do if it were my child. Even if you disagree, can you not see how some parents might want to pick up and move? It's not a matter or right or wrong, or cowardly or brave. It's doing what is best for one's family. That's only how I would handle it. I'm not telling anyone else to move.
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